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3X Pitching program WIP – Brad
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August 8, 2012
10:44 pm
Coach Robo
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Scott,

     I agree with Brent that Chapman has a simpler lift and load than Trevor Bauer does.  But, it doesn't really matter what I think.  I try to get pitchers to take ownership of their own mechanics.  The more Brad thinks about and makes decisions about his delivery, the more he will learn and the more engaged he'll be in the process.  Talk with him about what he's trying to accomplish and let him make decisions with your guidance about how to do it.  I call it monkey see – monkey do when all a pitcher does is what his coach tells him to do.  I want him to know why and try to figure out how.

     One of the best ways I know to keep your front foot closed is to lead with your hip as long as possible.  You can't open your foot as long as it's behind your hip.  Once your front foot breaks past the lead hip, one way to keep it closed is to cock your knee in and drive the bottom of your shoe at the target – the way Mr. Chapman does.  In fact, Chapman keeps his foot closed longer than Bauer does.  But, the point is to keep it closed – the best way to do it is up to the pitcher to find.  Sometimes the best way to keep it closed is to just… keep it closed.   

     In the week 16 video, Brad doesn't really start moving forward until after his foot reaches maximum lift – then he leads with his hip and starts moving out.  I think if he slows his leg lift and focuses on moving out with his hip while it's going up, his forward movement will tuck his lift leg back – he'll be farther down the hill – and he can figure out a way to keep his leg from running away from the rest of his body.  There are a lot of ways to accomplish that and he can find one that's comfortable for him.

     As to the Trevor Bauer slo-mo clip – I like his mechanics much better in the clip Brent uses (I use it a lot since I first saw it on Top Velocity) than in the one from his Bauer Outage You Tube channel.  His Force Vector especially is much better on the minor league bullpen clip.  It just shows that a pitcher can never stop working on his mechanics – even a millionaire first round draft pick. 

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August 9, 2012
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Coach Robo,

 

You articulated this better than me. Originally brad wanted to model chapman- same height, build, left handed. Guess what? It wasnt working. He was getting frustrated and he was stagnating. He looked at Bauer and felt his mechanics were simpler and easier to learn. Lift, lead with hip, tuck, fire away! I agreed with him. I could go into the differences between the 2 leg lifts and I am convinced that chapman's is far more difficult to learn and implement. But I am only a layman so let me qualify that by saying that, in Brads case it was more difficult. Though I would like to have a further discussion about those 2 leg lifts and the pros/cons that I see!!! Anyway, he started to improve with the bauer lift. By your points system, he went from a 48 to a 65 which is a 35% increase in 8 weeks. It was actually in less time because he was fiddling with the chapman lift for a few weeks as well. So he's gonna focus on the bauer lift. Per you and brent, here is the game plan for the next few weeks:

 

1- Lift the leg slower

2- move out with the hip before reaching max height 

3- let forward momentum tuck the leg

4- point foot up and try to keep it closed longer

 

Get stronger in gym!

August 9, 2012
1:41 pm
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coach robo,

 

did you work with dylan bundy????

August 9, 2012
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Coach Robo,

 

I agree with you on the bauer outage clip. I was actually surprised by how vertical his FV was, how he flew open with his lead leg, and the knee flexion compared to his bullpen clip, which was flawless. I only saw a couple innings of one of his games and he was throwing low 90s and his hi was 93 or 94 a couple times. He was not the mid 90s guy who could hit the hi 90s. So something was off. I heard one commentator (mitch williams???) who thinks his pre-game routine (extreme long toss) is ridiculous and could result in fatigue and arm injury. Mitch also said the MLB hitters are so much better than minor leaguerers that if you can not throw an offspeed pitch for a strike, they will sit on and feast on a low to mid 90s fastball……………..Opinions??? 

August 9, 2012
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I did not work with Dylan Bundy.  Dylan and Archie Bradley pitched for rival high schools before becoming millionaires last summer.  We were very happy to see them graduate and wish them well.  Like a lot of pitchers, Dylan's dad, Denver was very influential in his development.  He also has a brother, Bobby in the Orioles organization.   

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August 10, 2012
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Coach,

 

Thats very interesting and great for them. I saw them on youtube. Did you ever analyze their mechanics and how would you grade them out on your scale. 

August 10, 2012
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Brent Pourciau USAW Certified said
Z, is correct! His leg power is the result of his power to weight ratio. He needs to get his power to weight ratio as close to 1.5 as possible. This is when he will be able to accelerate more into front foot strike.

No high velocity pitcher releases the pitch in front of his face. This is conventional wisdom. If a pitcher is in a full stride with good forward trunk tilt then they will release the ball above the head. Notice the picture here of Tim Lincecum at release.

Z and Brent,

 

In the sports science video on chapman at the 1:55 mark they reference that chapman release the ball 12" in front of his front foot. It looks to me that brads release point is over his head and further back. 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related

 

thanks 

August 10, 2012
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Scott,

     Good question about Dylan and Archie – I've never graded them.  Maybe I'll take a look at them and grade them this weekend.  Here they are pitching:

 

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I use pro guys to compare pitchers to – but, I usually don't grade them.  When I do, the pros usually get very high scores.  You don't get to that level without doing most of the things that create velocity.  I graded Trevor Bauer once and I think he got a 96. 

I'm very interested in Brent's answer to your question about release point.  Almost every mlb pitcher I have on video appears to release the ball well in front of his head – including Chapman and Lincecum.  Sometimes the actual release comes between frames and the camera doesn't catch the exact moment of release.  But, I'd say well over 80% of my videos show release in front of the head.  (I deducted from Brad's score for being too upright.)  I hate to be conventional.  What's your take, Brent? 

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