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10:44 pm
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November 9, 2011
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August 28, 2011
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he does get 3X. :D another somewhat great example to show components of 3X. His stride is a little short than I think he can get it, but he still does a great job.
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It is amazing watching Walden jump and then internally rotate his drive leg into front foot strike. I can't believe he is converting this to so much hip to shoulder separation. It is 3X but it isn't pretty!
8:40 pm
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December 19, 2011
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I do not think this is extreme 3x at all. It is more like a Pivot of some sort. He is manipulating his lower body as apposed to developing linear momentum via explosive ankle kick…It is like he is lifting his back foot and then setting down his foot toe down heel up which will help open his hips….But he does not have much lower body to upper body separation….But he has the Verlander FRONT LEG EXTENSION after FFS.
I have film of a college pitcher that was throwing 95 that did this….He looked like he was going to hurt himself…I believe the only way he is acheiving good velocity is the Front leg extension he is getting after FFS
look at this college player – you will not believe he is throwing 95 – but he is….It does not look pretty…..His rear leg calapses initially and he does not achieve 3x – he opens quickly – his arm action is a bit weird – but he has that Verlander like Front leg extension after FFS…maybe thats a real key – what do you think…..My son plays for Cal Poly and the fastest pitcher they have has that Front leg extension…..
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August 28, 2011
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The pitcher you showed on the video doesn't get off the rubber like Walden though. I suppose you can say it's because of his strength and front leg extension. The fact that the pitcher that Brent believes has the worst mechanics actually throws over 90 (I think). Like if you look at Albertin Chapman (i believe he's Aroldis Chapman's brother), his mechanics are identical to Chapman's, but he throws at 95. That shows that strength and size does make a big difference. Walden does 3X but he jumps off the rubber, which doesn't make it look pretty.
1:29 am
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December 19, 2011
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You are correct, the pitcher above does not get off the rubber at all – Walden just jumps and turns his ankle….But the pitcher I sent opens early, falls off without any momentum and throws 95…..My point is the only thing he seems to do related to velocity is the extension of his front leg similar to Verlander and Walden – I am just noticing that the front leg extension just may be more significant than anybody is giving it credit…..Here is another college pitcher – he is basically jumping to 3x and then gets good separation – but notice his Front leg extension at FFS….This guy was just clocked at 95 in last scrimmage…The pitcher above and this guy are both only 6'2-6'3 185-195 – so they are not giants…..
2:34 am
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July 14, 2011
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Good clips, Rick. And good points. If you put your first guy on software that lets you look at him frame-by-frame, his mechanics aren't as bad as they look even in the slow motion version you posted. I don't like his arm action – his arm gets up too soon and hangs – and I don't like the way he finishes, as you said. And he does look like he opens up too early – but, look closer at his lead foot and knee. He opens both up early, but then he does something very unusual. Midway through his stride he cocks his knee back in – which cocks his foot back closed – and drives his cleats at the target. Just before he lands, he has both his knee and foot – and his pelvis – cocked again and he opens up again just before landing. Because of his pelvic load, he is generating a lot of hip rotation speed as he lands and opens. And although he doesn't get full extension of his back leg, he does make up for it with full extension of his front leg before release – and he does get pretty good separation. Brent has pointed out several times the advantage of extending the front leg – i.e. Verlander.
Not much to say about the second guy. He just has great mechanics – and classic triple extension and separation.
I've never seen a pitcher throw 95 without being able to find lower body mechanics that would explain that kind of velocity. Sometimes you just have to look harder. I look at full front leg extension as a bonus move that would be hard to teach – but that certainly contributes to velocity when combined with other high velocity factors. I don't think I would teach anyone to pitch like your first guy – but, if you look close I think you can see where his velocity comes from.
Good stuff.
7:20 am
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August 28, 2011
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Well, I know that the fact that he has bad mechanics and throws 95. There are guys like that in the MLB. I agree that front leg extension is critical to velocity, if you have read one of Brent's articles he talks about the front knee like a wall, and a car crashes into the wall. If the wall moves away the impact decreases, and obviously if the wall moves into the car, the impact increases. Also, guys over 6 foot tend to throw 90+. Not saying all do, but if they have perfected one key 3X component, they probably are throwing 90+. Well the guy in the next video does have decent mechanics, he too gets front knee extension, but then flexes it straight after. Well other than that, I agree that front leg extension is not something we look at as much here. Coach, agree totally with you ;D
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