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Nicolas Johnson speed comparison
January 1, 2012
6:04 pm
SCOTT D

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what type of radar gun are you using and were they the same gun for 73 and 64 mph?

 

When you say he was throwing 73 mph- when was that and was that off a mound during a game?

 

When was he down to 64 mph- was that in the recent video above?

January 1, 2012
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Could be the difference in windup to stretch. Definetly a lot more forward trunk tilt in the 72 one. In the 60 he seems to kick the lead leg out breaking the front hip early in the 72 he does a better job of driving and keeping momentum through the delivery. I think Zedoryu said some thing about the stall. Other then that it's like weighing yourself on two different scales if you want solid numbers you have to use the same scale. Just my two cents.

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January 2, 2012
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same radar gun for both tests.  i tried Brent's much more expensive radar gun and got the same results.  

 

Nicolas never pitches from the windup anymore.  after reading Brent's article where he showed that there is basically no more power from the windup to the stretch, we pretty much ditched the windup.  the one thing we did get get from the windup was the feeling of moving linear more quickly.  at my son's age, that still may be important.

 

we will be working with Brent soon and will see what he thinks.  one thing i hear Brent saying a lot is "move quicker".  i think my son may not be understanding the full meaning of that statement.  i know Nicolas is trying to move his legs quicker, but he may be sacrificing his upper body speed while focusing so much on his leg action.  we'll see.

January 2, 2012
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Singtall,

 

If the radar guns are the same and the pitching conditions are the same (game situations on mound), then something is wrong. Given that he has been getting stronger and has been using his new mechanics for 3-4 months, I would be concerned about a 10 mph drop in velocity. So I think seeing brent would be a good idea. Keeps us informed!

January 2, 2012
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Scott, what Nic is dealing with is not a 10mph decrease in velocity overall but when he goes from his comfort zone to the game, the comfort zone being his home or practice, he gets timid on the mound which causes him to slow everything down. This is common for 12-13 year olds who are learning to compete along with learn pitching mechanics.

Nic is learning that the more time he spends on the mound in pressure situations the more comfortable he will become.

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January 2, 2012
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Brent,

 

Thanks for the clarification. Thats was precisely what I was gettting at when I mentioned if both situations were "game situations on mound". Clearly they are not which would explain it. Singtall mentioned that he took a comebacker. I would imagine that this could be somewhat of a factor.

January 2, 2012
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Thanks for clarifying it for me, too.  It makes throwing a dryer ball into a cushion in the living room make a little more sense.  Sort of…

My initial reactions were that no pitcher should ever vary from 56-73 – there's something wrong there; and that sometimes you have to get away from "paralysis by analysis" and just go cut it loose.  That's not very 3X, but I do it a lot with pitchers.  Focusing constantly on minute parts of the delivery – which I certainly do – has a tendency to slow a pitcher down and make him tentative.  That's when I find ways to get back to just throwing a baseball like a baseball player – not like a pitcher.  As I said – I do that a lot, and it is very beneficial.  (I think the ratio of what a coach should know about a pitcher and what the pitcher should actually work on is at least 10-1.)

Brent's take is a very important issue:    "Nic is learning that the more time he spends on the mound in pressure situations the more comfortable he will become."

How many times have you seen a young pitcher come into a game and just be lights out in his warm-ups – boom, boom, boom, right down the middle with gas.  And then as soon as a batter steps in, he loses 5 mph and all contact with the strike zone.  And I love Brent's answer.  It's why I have never agreed with those who say that pitchers shouldn't pitch at early ages.  I think the best way to learn to pitch is to pitch – at the earliest age they can.  They need to be protected and they need to be taught how to pitch properly – but they need to pitch. 

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January 2, 2012
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Coach Robo said:

Thanks for clarifying it for me, too.  It makes throwing a dryer ball into a cushion in the living room make a little more sense.  Sort of…

 

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