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11:46 am
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August 15, 2010
OfflineKind of interested in the timeless debate of icing. What are some opinions on it. I've searched it before on the net and there is a little bit of info here and there but nothing rock solid about the science of it. I've come to understand that this site resembles more of a biophysics text book than that of old school "it's just the way it is." I tend to prefer the former as it's difficult to argue with.
So what is the science behind icing? From what I can gather after you throw there's serious amounts of warm blood flow pulsing through the vessels surrounding the major groups we use to throw and consequently this will result in some swelling when we head into recovery mode. Should it be understood that if we were not to ice than the muscle groups will become catalytic? So we could see icing as a way to stop that catalytic effect by constricting the blood flow of the vessels surrounding the muscle?
Thus, if we don't ice there would be a higher rate of the torn or worked muscle group healing as the flow of nutrients coming from the blood vessel wont be constricted and so will promote the healing of the muscle. In that case if we were to ice, the flow of nutrients going to the worked muscle would slow and not heal as quickkly.
So it's almost a negative feedback effect where you have to choose if you want to avoid swelling and pain by icing but if you ice you'll slow the healing process!?
So what are people's personal preference?
I tend not to ice my shoulder but do ice my elbow. Based upon nothing but routine and personal preference and totally upon the comfort it provides my arm post outing.
12:12 am
April 27, 2008
OfflineYour info is incorrect and I will explain why!
The American Journal of Sports Medicine did a study on rats that proved Cryotherapy for 6 hours significantly restored diminished functional capillary density, markedly decreased elevated intramuscular pressure, reduced the number of adhering and invading granulocytes, and attenuated tissue damage.
- Cryotherapy – is the local or general use of low temperatures in medical therapy or the removal of heat from a body part.
- Intramuscular – within the muscle
- Granulocytes – category of white blood cells
- Attenuated – reduced in strength
The healing process is generally broken into three stages: inflammation, proliferation, and repair. The problem is prolonged or intense inflammation can cause cellular damage. This is what icing will prevent from happening if you ice within 48 hours of the injury or overuse of the muscle.
This is a very popular topic among ball players so I am glad you brough it up!
7:56 am
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July 2, 2011
OfflineBrent,
Do you have recommendation for how long to ice and how soon to do it? I usually have them ice shoulder and elbow for 20 to 30 minutes immediately or as soon as possible after the game. Should everybody ice (starters and relievers) based on the amount of pitches thrown? That is what my trainers taught me. What do you think?
11:57 am
April 27, 2008
OfflineDarrell, you want to ice within 24-48 hours after the game and then you want to only ice for 10 minutes on and then 30 minutes off before cycling again. Here is an article where I researched this http://topvelocity.net/why-pit…..heir-arms/.
I believe everyone should ice because it supports the healing process.
12:05 pm
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July 2, 2011
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October 26, 2011
OfflineFirst off, Im a little upset this topic was posted! I was working on one, just like it…Ya beat me..
.. Great question TIP!
I would be willing to bet, Brent has read more then me on this subject… With reading so much on both sides, I drew my own conclusion, I hope its right, Dont yell at me if Im wrong Brent!!!
The blood flow obviously helps injury's, we all know this. The problem is the muscles in the elbow are small and and not very well protected, like the muscles in your leg for example. People never go ice their quads or hammys.
Basically we want blood to, really flow through our elbow ASAP, after pitching. I have my pitchers run a quick sprint when they are done pitching, to get a nice burst of blood running through 'em. I have them run to the outfield fence and back. Steady jog down, sprint back. And They always have jackets or sleeves to put on. They dont pitch for me with out these things, Whether its 50 or 90 degrees. To many young kids show up wearing t shirts, when its 60 degrees outside, and parents allow it.
The icing part!!
What I have been told: The reason for the ice is to, stop the blood flow (starve the veins). Then when the ice is removed the veins open wider and get a better BLAST of blood…. After reading the article above, it sounds like it kinda matches my conclusion. Ice on, Ice off, Ice on,Ice off (thats my karate kid..wax on…wax off..haha) Yes, I just made a Karate kid joke.
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