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How to deal with conventional pitching coaches?
January 18, 2012
12:06 am
Brent Pourciau USAW Certified
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Coach Robo, I am hoping that you can address this question because of all your many years of being a coach and being around the conventional pitching coach or coaches. I just had a supporter of the 3X approach post this question to me on Facebook.

I have been sharing what I have learned through Top Velocity with a high school freshman. He has seen great results as have I already. However, he went for a pitching session with his high school coach and his coach told him he was doing everything wrong, even though he was throwing harder now than ever before. What should I tell him, what should he do?

How would you answer this question?

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January 18, 2012
1:11 am
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Wow.  Welcome to the real world.  It's a very common – and very difficult situation.  I think it's time for you to make a video that specifically addresses this issue.  I know you have the 3X 101 video up – and it's very good.  But, this would be a video aimed directly at coaches stuck in the conventional past.  You have plenty of examples of their teaching in your mechanics forum.  Show examples of bad mechanics and then show examples of pitchers like Bauer, Chapman, Morrow, etc. and explain specifically what they do to produce velocity that is counter to conventional teaching.  Talk directly to the coaches and tell them what they're missing.  Don't **** them off – but, don't sugar coat it either.  Just tell the truth.  Put it up in a forum that everyone could access when the situation called for it.  It would be a very important contribution to the world of pitching instruction and I don't know anyone more qualified to do a great job of it.  There is such a need for this, I can see it going viral on the internet.  Pitchers like the young man above could use it to show their coaches what they are working on.

As to talking to the coach about this – I won't pretend that this isn't tricky.  And being a freshman probably makes it even trickier.  I will tell you that many conventional coaches are not open to new ideas and don't take it well when they're challenged.  But, all pitchers are responsible for their own careers.  I would tell him to use either the video above if you make it or another video of one of your analyses to show the coach what he is working on.  Just go in to see the coach and say "here's what I'm working on – what do you think?".  There are several possible outcomes.  Ideally, the coach will see the light and will embrace 3X for his entire program – which is what he should do.  The most common outcome is probably that he will leave the young man alone to do his own thing – in which case he will either succeed or not depending on a combination of his work ethic in implementing 3X and his talent.  If the coach takes a my way or the highway approach, a parent may have to step in.  A young man's future is at stake and it can't be entrusted to a closed-minded coach. 

I've spent a lot of time trying to answer this – and I wish I could give a better answer.  But, the truth is that's it's a very difficult situation.  As a freshman, the young man can't be expected to go in and convince the coach by himself.  That's why he needs a video or something that explains the entire 3X approach – so he can just give it to the coach.  The young man needs to be coached by the 3X supporter who wrote you and his parent on how to approach the coach respectfully.  He should not argue with the coach.  Just give him the material and see what he says.  But, if it doesn't go well a parent needs to be prepared to step in.  That may not go well either – but, the one thing that can't be allowed to happen is to allow the coach to teach the young man pitching mechanics that you and I both know will kill his future. 

Bottom line:  He must talk to the coach.  However it goes – the alternative is worse.           

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January 18, 2012
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Brent Pourciau USAW Certified
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Coach, thanks for the challenge. I have sent the young man your response. I have also added the video you have described here to my list of important things to do. I will put it together. I promise!

Very well said Coach Robo! You are correct, the young man and I both need to be very careful how we handle these coaches. It is a double edged sword. These coaches have the power to effect our careers in a negative and positive way. Our reactions to these coaches will also effect the outcome. If we are going to keep it positive we need to somehow get the information to them in a positive manner. Easier said than done! I am on a mission to help remedy this major problem within the game of baseball.

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January 18, 2012
2:09 am
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Coach, I think I have the perfect title for the video but I may be too much! What do you think?

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January 18, 2012
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I think that will be something awesome to look at :D. Hmm, on this note, how about dealing with a pitcher who doesn't listen to you, or like for me as being a young coach, my friends doesn't listen to me because they think that they're better than me. Well, just another thing I want to put in there is that I have this person who makes me catch for him, and I'm not a great catcher, and I don't have catcher gear, which makes it more intimidating, also he always throws at max, and because of that I feel reluctant to teach him 3X because if he threw faster, it make it even harder to catch and may result in injury. Well he's not planning on becoming an MLB pitcher anyway. He's just playing baseball for the fun of it. So, should I teach him 3X, or whatever? It's a bit of a weird question, but I would like your thoughts about this issue.

       
January 18, 2012
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And this just in… the earth is round.  I like it, Brent – because it will get their attention when they see it.  Put a lot of thought into this.  I think it's an important project.  Remember that its purpose is to enlighten the unenlightened.  It needs to be done in a tone that a young pitcher or his parent can feel comfortable showing to a coach.  So, don't call them idiots.  Let me do that in my posts…

I envision a video in which you point out examples of conventional teaching.  The balance point, up-down-out stuff is the most common.  Then show that high performance pitchers don't pitch that way – and never did.  Then explain why.  You should be able to show examples of Koufax, Gibson, Seaver, etc. – as well as the modern guys.  This is your magnum opus.  What would you say if you had twenty minutes in front of an entire coaches convention of guys who are filling the world with 82 mph strike throwers?  We're looking forward to this.  Make us proud.   

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January 25, 2012
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My son has the same problem with coaches telling him slow down, use your legs less, etc.

 

I sent an email to a friend who took the liberty to forward it to Trevor Bauer.  Trevor sent my son an email talkng about mechanics and then finished with these comments:

"And unfortunately in the world of baseball, the more right you are with pitching mechanics and philosophy the more people dislike what you're doing. Backwards right? But at the end of the day, its YOUR career. If you don't make it, if you don't achieve ur goals, if you let your dream die, no one who told u that u were doing things wrong is going to be upset. No one will even notice. Except you. Success is never easy. But don't give up. Keep fighting the good fight"

January 25, 2012
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That is great that Trevor responded with such wise words!

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