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12:29 pm
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January 9, 2012
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Recently you posted an article about how to cure the problem pitchers have with the inverted W. I was a bit confused as your main recommendation was that the pitcher was either slow to the plate or the stride was short. I can see this explanation for amateur pitchers but there are loads of Professional pitches like Steven Strasburg from the Nationals that have a long stride are are quick to the plate. Please help me understand this issue better.
4:55 pm
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August 28, 2011
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I think what he meant was the pitcher that is slow to the plate or the stride is short are those with the inverted W.
5:00 pm
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August 28, 2011
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The inverted W occurs because they aren't generating enough speed to convert the energy to the upper body. They raise their arms up high so that it brings the body up and all the energy they may have created. It's obviously not a good thing as it puts the shoulder in an awkward position. What 3X suggests is to scap load below shoulder level. I believe scap loading is like the flexion and to internal and external rotation which is the extension at the release. Just another one of my theories, hope this helps :D
5:38 pm
April 27, 2008
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Here is the article.
http://www.topvelocity.net/the…..erted-w-l/
If you compare Strasburg's numbers to Trevor Bauer's numbers below, you will see two different pitchers. Strasburg's stride length is shorter than Bauer's and Strasburg is 2 inches taller than Bauer. Strasburg is striding pretty much with the same stride speed but with a shorter stride. They both have similar hip to shoulder separation but Bauer has more forward trunk tilt at release. This is the point in the delivery that puts up the reg flag because more stride power or speed, if converted to optimal hip to shoulder separation, will produce more forward trunk tilt at release. Because Strasburg has a slower stride speed than Bauer but similar hip to shoulder separation tells me he is using the arm to support the hip to shoulder separation. He is throwing the arm above the shoulder and behind the back to enhance his hip to shoulder separation which is obvious in his footage. This doesn't coil as effectively as when using stride power to create hip to shoulder separation which is illustrated in his forward trunk tilt at release.
Stephen Strasburg 3X Profile
http://www.topvelocity.net/for…..file-2010/
Trevor Bauer 3X Profile
http://www.topvelocity.net/for…..1-profile/
7:32 am
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January 9, 2012
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Zedoryu Thanks for your answer however, I have a difficult time trying to understand the reason for inverted W and how to fix the problem. Most amatuer pitchers are slow and or have a short stride but not all of them are inverted W. I see high % of professinal pitchers with inverted W and they are not so slow or so short in their strides. There are cases for either arguement.
I would agree that the slowness and the short stride could be a reason for the inverted W as the front foot strike comes early in the process but I can not see this as the only reason. I would think there must be other reasons as well some pitchers are in an inverted W. I know one way to solve the shortness and momentem is to follow the mechanics of Trevor Bauer are there others?
7:45 am
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January 9, 2012
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Brent thanks for your answer so If I understand your answer to the Inverted W problem for pitchers you think it comes from a short stride or lack of momentum and then the pitcher tries to keep some hip/shoulder separation so he tries to turn his pitching arm back toward 1base side to get some torque. Is this a correct view? If so can you comment on solutions for the inverted W as I have seen many non professional pitchers that are slow or short stride that have the inverted W and some that do not. Appreciate your help as I want to teach the correct adjustments to kids.
8:28 am
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August 28, 2011
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Hmm, I guess the inverted W occurs because of a late force vector. If you look at Strasburg, he gets his force vector late. Why? Because when you don't line up your force vector the energy is still moving vertical and so it cannot be transferred. You have to either wait till it lines up, or find a different way to transfer the energy. Like I said, the inverted W occurs to help transfer energy, like a bouncy ball when it reaches the top of its lift, all the energy bounces up like there is a ceiling and it bounces on the ceiling pushing the energy out and away, and gravity pulls it back down. Hopefully you get that ;). The reason why Strasburg may have good separation is because I believe the inverted W also delays the arm. If you watch carefully, those with the inverted W goes back to the normal W before throwing the ball. Those that scap load below the shoulder has less time for the arm to get to the normal W or cocked position before throwing the ball.
12:20 pm
April 27, 2008
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Woodman, we are on the same page here. I believe the answer to fixing the inverted W or L is to increase stride speed by aligning the force vector earlier and more effectively then moving into an explosive triple extension (3X). You will find that the 3X Mechanics will fix this mechanical flaw. Every pitcher who has come into the 3X Pitching Velocity program has remedied this issue using the drills and training in the program. I would suggest you check out the program to understand more. If you have any footage of pitchers who have this issue and would like me to do an analysis please post it here.
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