pitching protective gear | Talk Pitching | Pitching Forum | Baseball | Velocity - Topvelocity.net

A A A

Please consider registering
guest

Log In Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search:

— Forum Scope —



— Match —



— Forum Options —




Wildcard usage:
*  matches any number of characters    %  matches exactly one character

Minimum search word length is 4 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

Topic RSS
pitching protective gear
December 11, 2011
9:40 pm
singtall

Rookie
Forum Posts: 122
Member Since:
January 19, 2010
Offline
1
0

I got to thinking about this subject after my son got hit in the shin while pitching yesterday.  he was throwing really aggressive and doing well, when a ball came back and hit his landing leg.  he pitched again today, but not as effective.  I posted a video of him so you can see what i mean.  mechanically, he is solid…but he isn't moving as fast and his arms kept going into defense mode after just about every throw.

I'm now looking into protective gear, even though most kids don't think it looks cool.  what do you think about pitchers needing gear?  catcher, batters, and umpires wear gear to protect themselves…why not pitchers?

December 11, 2011
10:10 pm
SCOTT D

Rookie
Forum Posts: 99
Member Since:
June 6, 2011
Offline
2
0

 I dont think he is going into a defensive mode. It looks like a little flinch, which seems natural after getting a comebacker. Anyway, I really dislike the idea of pitchers wearing protective gear (even if its legal). Pitchers have enough of an advantage without wearing body armour. Then again I dont like bike helmuts, skateboard pads, or flag football……

 

BTW, how long has Nick been doing the program and how is he doing? 

December 11, 2011
10:28 pm
singtall

Rookie
Forum Posts: 122
Member Since:
January 19, 2010
Offline

i really didn't care for protective gear either…until my son got hurt.  that changes everything.  it didn't really bother me when other kids got hit either…well i cared that they were hurt, but not enough to think about pitchers wearing protective gear.  i saw one kid wearing a clear mask last year and some people called him "Hanibal Lector".  funny at the time, not so much now.  

 

back in the day, no one wore any protective gear…but a few injuries later and it's mandatory.  we don't question it anymore, but they did back then.

 

Nicolas has been "working" the 3X pitching for really only a few months.  we had tips from Brent over the last year as Brent looked at Nic's videos, but it wasn't until we bought the book that we really started to understand it.  we actually got the beginner's book about a month ago and found it an easier read.  the lights really started going on about two weeks ago when Brent worked with Nicolas on drills for separation.  Nicolas had to learn to push his front hip open using the power of his back foot after triple extension to get proper separation and speed.  Nicolas was actually cheating it and looking pretty good by just swinging his leg out and striding far…but he had to concentrate on keep his shoulders closed.  now he just has to think about pushing off quickly and relaxing his arms and upper body and the separation comes by itself without much effort.

believe it or not, Nicolas was actually moving fairly slow on this video.  he was much faster and more aggressive before the hit in the shin.   luckily, the hit didn't break any bones.  he ended up with a bruise and some soreness is about all.

December 11, 2011
10:37 pm
SCOTT D

Rookie
Forum Posts: 99
Member Since:
June 6, 2011
Offline
4
0

Keep up the good work. my son is in week 12 of the program. What drills did you feel were the most effective for 3x and hip/shoulder separation?

December 11, 2011
11:08 pm
Brent Pourciau USAW Certified
Mandeville, LA.
Admin
Forum Posts: 1505
Member Since:
April 27, 2008
Offline

Nic and his Dad Ross have been one of my best examples and supporters of the 3X program at the youth level. I am very pride of both of their hard work. It has really paid off in their favor and Nic is way ahead of the game for his age group!

The #1 velocity enhancement program in the world. This program has helped hundreds reach their velocity goals. If you want to know what it is like to throw 90+mph then you must purchase this revolutionary approach to velocity TODAY!
December 12, 2011
1:00 am
Zedoryu
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Minor Leaguer
Forum Posts: 385
Member Since:
August 28, 2011
Offline
6
0

I personally don't like the idea of wearing protective gear, because they may slow you down due to weight, and it feels uncomfortable whenever I wear my cup (or box whatever you call it) so I usually don't wear my cup because it keeps slipping and it just feels awkward at times. I agree that you can be hurt by the ball, but what are the chances of you getting hit by one?

       
December 12, 2011
12:24 pm
singtall

Rookie
Forum Posts: 122
Member Since:
January 19, 2010
Offline
7
0

some of the drills that helped were:

getting into the load position with the back leg, pause, launch and go as quickly as possible.  the back leg has to push the hips open.  if you do it fast enough, the shoulders will pretty much stay closed.

from the stretch; launch out and land in a torqued/closed position.  hold for a second, launch by pushing with he back leg and throw.

my son also does squats daily.  it's important that they learn to squat and push the butt out, because they need those muscles to pitch properly.   unless my son is very sore, he does the following exercises daily:  squats, push-ups, crunches, and short sprints (20-30 yards).  sprinting is done with an effort to develop maximum speed off the line.

 at least 2-3 times a week Nicolas works in front of a mirror or with a video camera running to make sure he looks right mechanically.   the video camera really helps a lot.  but there are many times where we think he looks good and Brent will notice another thing we need to work on.  having Brent around to analyze the video footage is a major part in the development.  Brent is getting so good at it that he is able to spot mechanical problems on the fly just by watching the pitcher live.  a good example was 2 weeks ago when Brent pointed out to me that Nic was basically throwing his front leg out to stride far and holding his shoulders back by force.  the end result was pitches thrown outside and low.  in the last game, Nic realized after a couple of pitches low and outside that he was basically faking the delivery and needed to push his hips open with his drive leg instead of throwing his front leg out.  once he made the change, he was dealing out some heat and struck out the next three batters.

it sounds like a simple thing, but pushing the hips open by driving hard with the back leg is basically the answer to many pitching problems.  for the last two years we really were just trying to hit certain positions while pitching, which isn't the answer.  you can look kool and still be a bad pitcher.  

the program works once you get strong enough to do it.

December 12, 2011
12:58 pm
SCOTT D

Rookie
Forum Posts: 99
Member Since:
June 6, 2011
Offline
8
0

Thanks singtall,

 

So, to launch into 3x you have to keep your weight back on your drive leg; lineup the force vector; keep your ankle, knee, and hip closed; and then drive off your back leg. That move would seem to require alot of strength and power. When I look at the video analysis of all the youth pitchers, none seem to get 3x or optimal hip/shoulder separation. The fact that young pitchers struggle with this, leads one to believe that the issue is a strength issue for alot of players. Would you agree or do you see it more as a motor coordination issue? In your experience, did Nick had more issues with strength or mechanics?

Forum Timezone: UTC -4

Most Users Ever Online: 70

Currently Online:
14 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

Zedoryu: 385

Coach Robo: 189

singtall: 122

Money: 118

SCOTT D: 99

Darrell Coulter: 88

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 3

Members: 418

Moderators: 0

Admins: 1

Forum Stats:

Groups: 4

Forums: 31

Topics: 703

Posts: 3733

Newest Members: seashley22, Joseph Camp, Cody, boomer22, Megallo1215, mayhew1

Moderators:

Administrators: Brent Pourciau USAW Certified (1505)

Topvelocity.net is a Baseball Pitching and velocity improvement training program. Our main offerings include: a Pitching Velocity Program along with tips and articles to increase a pitchers velocity and online Pitching Video Analysis for players.