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Sports Illustrated Trevor Bauer article
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August 11, 2011
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Coach Robo
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I think that's a good assessment, Brent.  I don't know if you've ever met Ron Wolforth (I haven't).  But, he strikes me as a guy with an open mind.  He's always been willing to recognize other coaches who are doing good work and I think he tries to learn from everyone he encounters.  (Not all of the pitching gurus are that way.  Some don't think anyone else has anything to contribute to the discussion of pitching.)  I think he would be impressed with your work.  You should try to get his attention somehow.  You got Reddick's attention.  But, he's not as influential as Wolforth.  And now, Ron's got himself into a Sports Illustrated article.

Interesting to see a pitching article that doesn't mention Tom House.  He's always been the go-to source for stories like this.  Now the younger guys are moving to the front of the line.  I never thought Tom was all that cutting edge.  He's done good work over the years, but I think what he has really done is give credence to other people's work by bringing it into the mainstream.  Like a lot of us, he's done an about-face on a lot of what he used to teach.  I don't mean that as a criticism – I think it's the sign of an open mind and a learner.  I think his best book is "Arm Action, Arm Path, and the Perfect Pitch" (although something about the research doesn't strike me as completely legit.  The case studies are awfully small samples…).  That book confirmed and gave the House and NPA stamp of approval to what a lot of guys like Paul Nyman, Wolforth, and the reincarnated Dick Mills were already teaching.

I think your stroke of genius – I mean that sincerely – and your contribution to the world of pitching was to zero in on the separation of hips and shoulders as the key movement in the entire delivery.  (I've had separation on my video analysis form for years, but I think I thought it was one of those things that were an indicator, but I didn't know how to teach.  Because of what I've learned from you, I've since moved it into a much more prominent placement on my analysis.)  Then your description of the Force Vector and Triple Extension is the best explanation of how to achieve separation of anyone I've ever studied.  If in addition to your excellent analysis of the key components of the delivery, your theories on Olympic Lifting as the best way to develop a pitcher are valid (they ring true to me, but I'm not qualified to know), I think that's your claim to fame and your ticket onto the list of the best pitching instructors on the scene.     

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August 11, 2011
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Coach

 

 My son will be there.

 

Brent

  I thought it was interesting that they mentioned Dylan Bundy in that article.  While he uses Wolforth's stuff, he also power lifts squating and deadlifting over 600 lbs.  He wasn't doing Olympic lifting the times we worked out with him.

August 11, 2011
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Coach Robo, your support is always appreciated!

 

RickI, good to know. These are more strength based lifts but this helps build optimal core and leg strength. He probably increases his power by adding in jumps and sprints to his program as well.

August 11, 2011
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Brent

 

  Here are some of the things Dylan does.  One is a boxing program which his dad came up with because he things it builds up his lats and posterior deltoids to protect his shoulder.  Personally, I think it works thru learning to drive force from the ground into the arms like karate.

 

 

Here are some pylos.

August 11, 2011
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I like it. The boxing is good for joint integrity. The plyos train triple extension but without heavy loads does not ultimately enhance power. Plyos need to follow heavy load training which the Olympic lifts do best.

Good stuff! Thanks for sharing this RickI

August 13, 2011
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Make sure you checkout this article on Tim Collins in comparison to the Trevor Bauer article. This Men's Health article takes my perspective on how all pitchers should be training.

http://topvelocity.net/forum/t…..formation/

August 21, 2011
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Here is the photo/breakdown of Bauer's motion (wasn't included in the online version of the article).  I found it interesting how his back ankle is almost touching the ground as he drives prior to 3x:

 

August 21, 2011
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Great photo! The reason his back ankle is touching the ground at 3X is in the previous frame. It is his Force Vector. This is his key. His Force vector before 3X is the best in the game.

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