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HBO Real Sports Steve Delabar Pitching Velocity Program
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April 7, 2012
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Brent Pourciau USAW Certified
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I have received a lot of questions from the TopVelocity.net community about the recent HBO Sports special on Steve Delabar which features a pitching velocity program that changed his career. I wanted to post the video here for everyone to see and comment on.

April 7, 2012
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Brent,

 

Do you know what all was in the velocity program that he used? From what I see online he used an overload/underload approach with weighted baseballs.

April 8, 2012
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That is all it sounds like. I spoke to a few people who saw it and they said it was only a joint integrity program but I have not seen the entire show on HBO Real Sports.

If this was only a rehab joint integrity program his velocity increase was because of the rebuilt elbow joint. This is the same as the effects of Tommy John surgery or UCL surgery which I would also bet was a major part of Steve Delabar's surgery. A good percentage of Pitchers who have Tommy John surgery experience a similar increase in pitching velocity.

April 8, 2012
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Brent,

Why do we see these velocity increases when a pitcher has an elbow repaired compared to a shoulder? It doesn't seem like as many guys come back from shoulder surgery. Having had shoulder surgery about a year ago, my velocity is still an issue.

April 8, 2012
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I totally understand your frustration. I too had major shoulder surgery. I had to develop the 3X Pitching Velocity program to overcome the surgery and increase my pitching velocity over 90mph so I could accomplish my dreams of playing pro ball. I always wished I was having Tommy John instead of rotator cuff surgery.

The reason more guys come back from elbow surgery and come back stronger is because this is a hinge joint. It is not a multidirectional joint like the shoulder. Also with UCL surgery they are replacing the ligament with a tendon which can handle more torque. With shoulder surgery there is no ligament or tendon replacement. They are just sowing what has been damaged back together and if you read my article on Pattern Overload then you know it also means the joint has been compromised.

This is why I truly believe that the best pitching velocity program evolves improving the entire kinetic chain and not just the arm.

I have worked with many pitchers who have had Tommy John surgery and came back throwing harder but never fixed the issues in their mechanics that caused the joint to tear up and found themselves again back under the knife.

April 8, 2012
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Just watch the first clip in the video above of Steve Delabar. He is in a full stride with his feet in a lateral position. He then is turning his feet and hips on the ground as he is throwing the arm. You can see his shoulder opening just before his hips in this drill. This means he is not creating hip to shoulders separation in this drill. Also no pitchers land in the full stride position with their feet in a lateral position and then rotate their feet and hips after they land. This makes me believe that his velocity increase is not the results of this pitching velocity program but the result of a newly rebuilt joint in his elbow and a rehab program that improved his joint integrity.

April 8, 2012
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Thanks Brent. I definitely agree with you that we should train the entire kinetic chain and not just the arm. In high school I followed Alan jaegar's long toss program. I felt like it helped me add a couple mph, like 2-3 mph, but at the same time it probably put a ton of stress on my arm just to get those couple mph. After having surgery, I have basically avoided airing it out to extreme distances. My arm feels good, with the exception of some knots I get in the back of my shoulder from time to time, but I'm nowhere near the velocity I was at in high school. I really want to committ myself to your program as soon as I save up enough money because my velocity is the only thing preventing me from pitching on my college team, since I can hit spots fairly well.

April 8, 2012
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I am sure you know my opinion on "Air it Out" long toss by now. If not here is the article:

http://www.topvelocity.net/asm…..oss-study/

"Air it Out" Long Toss would be like training a race car to run faster by spinning the wheels at full throttle. If the car was able to adapt to its work load like humans then this will increase its speed but it will also tear up its tires in the process. This is why a good percentage of pitchers who use these conventional approaches to conditioning the pitcher end up with worn out or torn up joints like Steve Delabar here who has poor mechanics and obviously was over throwing.

The reason it is so much more challenging to recover from shoulder surgery than elbow surgery is because there are more small muscles supporting the joint. Surgery atrophies these muscles which basically makes the joint worse to try and make it better. This is why you always have rehab with surgery. Rehab does more than just help reduce inflammation from the surgery; it must rebuild the joint. The problem is most physical therapist are trained to rehab a patient back to a normal life but not a baseball pitching life. If you went to a well respected Sports Medicine Doctor with a Sports Rehab clinic that specializes in baseball pitchers like with ASMI then you should find yourself post rehab in a better condition than just before the surgery. If you didn't go this route then you are forced to do this on your own. This is why most pitchers quit. They don't know how or who to help them get back to pitching again. This is why I developed the 3X Pitching Velocity program because I was looking for the how and who in my career to overcome my shoulder surgery and this program was the result and the success of it.

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