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Leg Lift and First Move.
November 6, 2011
11:52 pm
Darrell Coulter
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Brent,

I have watched a ton of your video analysis.  It has taught me more than I could ever tell you.

I have seen some powerful athletes on these analysis.  

How much Velocity do you think a pitcher could add by just getting the leg lift, hip moving and 3X before front foot strike right? (The First Move)

I agree with you that strength is a major issue with most pitchers, but if pitcher's would start working on the motor skill side (drills) of your program I think they could and would see the quickest results if they are already powerful athlete.

Almost every analysis you do I see that this is the most common problem (the first move) you identify.

I believe if pitchers and pitching coaches would open their eyes and minds to what you are are showing them, it would change pitching forever.

The Video evidence doesn't lie.

I appreciate the analysis,  It makes us all better pitchers and coaches.

Just thinking out loud after watching some more video.

November 7, 2011
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Brent Pourciau USAW Certified
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Darrell, you know I really appreciate your support here.

I believe from leg lift to front foot strike, with hip to shoulder separation, is when the majority of your velocity must be generated. This is the power phase of the delivery and it is about 2/3 of the entire delivery. I am not the first one to state this. The NPA proved this in their 2005-2006 Velocity Study. All I did here was define the kinetic sequence of this event and how to enhance it, to increase velocity. Basically, the NPA told us where the treasure was and I just showed everyone how to get there! This is what I believe the 3X Pitching Velocity program is. It is the map to the treasure and it has worked for me in my career and many others.

Darrell Coulter said:
How much Velocity do you think a pitcher could add by just getting the leg lift, hip moving and 3X before front foot strike right? (The First Move)

I believe 5-10 mph is realistic for any pitcher who feels he has not implemented many of the tools in the 3X Program. I do get pitchers who are in a D1 strength training program but are stuck with average velocity and just want 2-3 more to get upper 80's or low 90's. I show them how the 3X program uses both the throwing program and the strength and conditioning program to not only enhance power but to make sure it is converting into torque and then the velocity of the ball. Most pitchers do not know how a strength and conditioning program must work together with a throwing program.

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November 7, 2011
7:48 am
Darrell Coulter
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Brent,

You know what I think of your program. 

Here is what I meant to ask.

If you were doing video analysis of just pure pitching mechanics to an auditorium full of conventional balance pitching coaches, how would you explain or break down the importance of the Leg Lift and First Move.

The reason I ask is because this is where most pitchers breakdown during your video analysis.

But it is also almost impossible to see with the naked eye.  

And there is a bunch of pitching coaches all across the US and the World for that fact that don't use video to examine their pitcher's mechanics.  Then there are a bunch of coaches using video, but don't understand Velocity generating mechanics.

I know there seems to be a disconnect with a lot of pitchers.  You have young pitchers strong as a bull and don't have the mechanics and then some who get the mechanics but aren't strong enough to properly execute them right.

Hey man told you I have a problem with thinking out loud.

Must be the time change I should probably still be asleep.

Thanks

November 7, 2011
12:02 pm
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Darrell, I am with you here!

I like to relate the importance of the lift leg and first move to the importance of a sprinters first step. Sprinting coaches spend most of their time coaching the first step in the delivery because force production is most critical during this initial phase. If the sprinter can get to his top speed earlier in his sprint then he will drastically improve is overall time. The same approach works with the pitching delivery. If the pitcher can get to his top speed before his front foot lands then he has more power to convert into torque, with hip to shoulder separation, and then the velocity of the ball.

Do you think this would make sense to a room of "old school" pitching coaches?

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November 7, 2011
12:13 pm
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On the pitching coach subject; I dont know how you could instruct pitching mechanics with out the video. The reason we are learning so many things, is the implementation of video feedback. I dont care who you are, when it comes to "fine tuning", any mechanic, hititng, pitching etc… you will not see what needs to be corrected with the naked eye like, DC stated.

You also, wont find too many coaches who are willing to put in this extra time!!

 

Heres to those of us who agree to move onward and upward!! Thans for the help with our mission Brent!!

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November 7, 2011
11:43 pm
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Darrell Coulter wrote:

"How much Velocity do you think a pitcher could add by just getting the leg lift, hip moving and 3X before front foot strike right? (The First Move)"

"I agree with you that strength is a major issue with most pitchers, but if pitcher's would start working on the motor skill side (drills) of your program I think they could and would see the quickest results if they are already powerful athlete."

Darrell – I read your question a little differently than the way Brent did.  The way I read what you're asking is "How much can pitchers improve their velocity if they implement 3X mechanics, but not 3X training?  And will the mechanics get quicker results than the training?"

I feel qualified to answer that question because I think it defines the difference between Brent and me.  For quite a few years, I have had success with helping pitchers get better by teaching them to move sooner, faster, and farther to generate more momentum to the target.  The result is almost always better velocity and the elimination of faults which occurred in the delivery because it was too slow.  However, looking back on my work I realize that I didn't give the proper amount of time and effort to their strength and ability to generate power.  With the exception of a few pitchers I could spend more time with than the others, I focused mostly on arm care, general conditioning, and programs that emphasized plyometrics – but failed to understand the importance of building power into their delivery.  That's one of the most important things I've learned from Brent. 

The result is I've helped lots of pitchers get better – but, have to honestly say I didn't help them reach their maximum potential because I didn't understand the power component as much as I should have.  (My oldest son – who finished his collegiate career with a 25-2 record – and I have had some interesting what-if conversations about what 3X might have done for him.)  So – and I know you know this – I think anyone who has spent much time really studying Brent and 3X understand that the mechanics of 3X and the power training of 3X go hand in hand.   

But, I read your question as the practical one of "I can't control whether these guys implement a training program or not, but what if they start by getting the mechanics right?"  And my answer from experience is that you absolutely can make a tremendous difference and sometimes dramatic improvement just by teaching a product of coaching that is "stuck in the conventional past" (shout out to Josh Brodersen for that great description!) to move with the mechanics of 3X.  I've seen young pitchers add several miles per hour in one session just by getting them to move sooner, faster, and farther.  And it stands to reason to me that the mechanics will have a more immediate impact than the training – because it doesn't take as long.  Remember – I'm a total convert to the fact that the two must go hand-in-hand to maximize your potential.  But, you have to start somewhere.  And it makes sense to me to pick the low-hanging fruit first by teaching them the mechanics – and then maximizing their improvement by implementing the 3X strength and conditioning program. 

As to putting on a presentation to a room full of balance-point coaches – I've done that.  (I haven't done it since I discovered 3X, but I've already started thinking about how to change it to include what I've learned from Brent.)  It has always gone extremely well because balance-point mechanics are stupid and make no sense.  The result is always a room full of coaches saying "That's so obvious – how did we miss that?".  At the very least, I would recommend a handout with lots of pictures of pitchers.  (There's plenty of them in the 3X manual – and I'm sure Brent wouldn't mind the free advertising.)  The picture that has the most impact in a presentation like this are of pitchers performing what I first called the Energy Angle – then I called the Power Angle – and now call the Force Vector.

If I do another clinic - and I've been asked to do one this Thanksgiving – I'm going to try to get a little more high-tech and do a power point with some video.  Even old dogs can learn new tricks.      

I will say that my clinics have always been for youth coaches.  High school coaches are a hide-bound, conventional-thinking, un-intellectual, cliquish bunch.  But, you have the tremendous advantage of having been a former professional pitcher.  That gives you instant credibility even if you're an idiot – which we all know you're not.  Smile

To sum it up – and Brent may disagree with this – you have to start somewhere.  And I think it makes sense to start with the mechanics – in fact the 3X manual does start with the mechanics.  The sometimes immediate improvement by implementing the mechanics with hopefully inspire a pitcher to go all the way towards maximizing his potential by implementing the whole program. 

 

    

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November 8, 2011
12:25 am
Darrell Coulter
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Guys,

That is what I was wondering.  You read it right and I should have been more clear.  But my point was that if we start with something that can be realized and understood sooner, then we have a chance to get the training buy in that Brent and all of us know is a critical factor in reaching your full potential.

But I have had the same experience as you so far as with some of the local coaches and parents taking a second look at 3X pitching.  It has changed my thinking and what I myself have been guilty of teaching over the last 20 years.

But change will come slowly.  But with more of us out there spreading the message sooner or later it will take hold.

As this generation of young pitchers seek out more information and education online they will start upsetting the apple cart of the old school thinking and start using 21st century technology to change pitching mechanics forever.

Brent has just got to keep opening minds and kicking down doors.

Don't worry I am going to be right here aggravating all of them with you Brent.

And I know Coach has your back.

Just keep preaching the truth.

November 8, 2011
12:52 am
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Those old movies where they chase the monster into the castle! the town runs after with lit pitch forks!! 

 

That scene describes some of the parents on my summer team! They argued with my theory's and beliefs at the first parent meeting! Then when we went went 5-0 they started to attack my character, because I was putting "W"s up. The people that refuse to change and accept that they have things to learn, will never do anything but attack progress. They look for anything they can to disprove you and try to get others to follow. When I implemented rotational hitting to my kids, some of the dads thought that was the dumbest idea ever. 

 

Bottom line is even coaches never stop learning (good coaches). Some of the ideas out there I was embarrassed to implement for fear of the torches. I stuck with it, had outstanding numbers, AND STILL GOT THE TORCHES!! I havent given up the battle. 

 

CR,DC, Brent…. Dont kick any doors down with out me!!

 

Quote I once heard and like; 

If you put a lobster in a bucket, he will get out.

If you put two of them in there, neither will get out, because the one climbing out

will always get pulled down by the other.

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