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		<title>By: Brent Pourciau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent Pourciau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the quote you quoted is correct but this is not supporting your argument. You are saying that during the Stretch Shortening Cycle the muscle fibers are not contracting. This is incorrect. Here is a quote from the article I posted above about the process of the SSC.  
 
&quot;The muscle spindle is provoked by a quick stretch, which reflexively produces a quick CONTRACTION of the agonistic and syneriistic extrafusal muscle fibers.&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the quote you quoted is correct but this is not supporting your argument. You are saying that during the Stretch Shortening Cycle the muscle fibers are not contracting. This is incorrect. Here is a quote from the article I posted above about the process of the SSC. </p>
<p>&quot;The muscle spindle is provoked by a quick stretch, which reflexively produces a quick CONTRACTION of the agonistic and syneriistic extrafusal muscle fibers.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Duke Nukem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duke Nukem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The muscle fibers don&#039;t fire because in the study you posted they used sensors to see if it is firing.  All it is is a elastic contration in the arm  It does not contract by the nervous system.  
Here is the quote 
 
If muscle force is not generated by the fibers that do not act in the area where the golgi orgain is located the golgi will change its firing frequency or show a drop in its activity. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The muscle fibers don&#039;t fire because in the study you posted they used sensors to see if it is firing.  All it is is a elastic contration in the arm  It does not contract by the nervous system. </p>
<p>Here is the quote</p>
<p>If muscle force is not generated by the fibers that do not act in the area where the golgi orgain is located the golgi will change its firing frequency or show a drop in its activity.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent Pourciau</title>
		<link>http://www.topvelocity.net/pitch-velocity-elastic-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-498</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent Pourciau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The muscle is firing but the contraction is an involuntary event. If the muscle fibers didn&#039;t fire during the stretch then the arm would rip off of the body.  
 
Can you give me a quote from the link you listed above. The link only opens to the preview of the book. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The muscle is firing but the contraction is an involuntary event. If the muscle fibers didn&#039;t fire during the stretch then the arm would rip off of the body. </p>
<p>Can you give me a quote from the link you listed above. The link only opens to the preview of the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Duke Nukem</title>
		<link>http://www.topvelocity.net/pitch-velocity-elastic-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-497</link>
		<dc:creator>Duke Nukem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diesel is right.  Read this.  Only if the muscle is firing will golgi tendon be activated.   It only responds to force generated by muscle.  
   &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=_fcYstm9LMkC&amp;lpg=PA44&amp;ots=tX9NNumms6&amp;dq=golgi%20%20elastic&amp;pg=PA44#v=onepage&amp;q=golgi%20%20elastic&amp;f=false&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://books.google.com/books?id=_fcYstm9LMkC&amp;amp...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diesel is right.  Read this.  Only if the muscle is firing will golgi tendon be activated.   It only responds to force generated by muscle. </p>
<p>  <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=_fcYstm9LMkC&amp;lpg=PA44&amp;ots=tX9NNumms6&amp;dq=golgi%20%20elastic&amp;pg=PA44#v=onepage&amp;q=golgi%20%20elastic&amp;f=false" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=_fcYstm9LMkC&#038;amp&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brent Pourciau</title>
		<link>http://www.topvelocity.net/pitch-velocity-elastic-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-496</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent Pourciau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 00:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you need to read the study again Diesel. The study says &quot;The golgi tendon organ serves as a protective mechanism limiting the amount of force produced within a muscle, its stimulation threshold becomes the limiting factor.&quot; This means if the stimulation from the eccentric movement of the muscle fiber is overloading the golgi tendon then the tendon will limit the amount of force produced within the muscle. This will limit the amount of elastic energy produced because elastic energy is developed during the eccentric movement. The golgi tendons threshold is programed within the central nerves system, which would mean it is involuntary but has an effect on the elastic properties of the muscle fibers. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you need to read the study again Diesel. The study says &quot;The golgi tendon organ serves as a protective mechanism limiting the amount of force produced within a muscle, its stimulation threshold becomes the limiting factor.&quot; This means if the stimulation from the eccentric movement of the muscle fiber is overloading the golgi tendon then the tendon will limit the amount of force produced within the muscle. This will limit the amount of elastic energy produced because elastic energy is developed during the eccentric movement. The golgi tendons threshold is programed within the central nerves system, which would mean it is involuntary but has an effect on the elastic properties of the muscle fibers.</p>
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		<title>By: Diesel</title>
		<link>http://www.topvelocity.net/pitch-velocity-elastic-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-495</link>
		<dc:creator>Diesel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So your saying the golgi tendon limits how much force the muscle contracts  by nerves  but the study says it is not a voluntary firing contraction it is the elasticity of the muscle that makes it contract.  The golgi could not limit the elastic effect because it wont change the properties of the muscle that makes it elastic.  It acts like a resistor limits the voltage required to fire the muscle when the mechanical load gets larger which wont limit anything in elastic shorting because it is not firing.  If the golgi senses overload while your muscle is contracting like a elastic it cannot stop it from contracting because that would mean your brain was telling it to contract. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So your saying the golgi tendon limits how much force the muscle contracts  by nerves  but the study says it is not a voluntary firing contraction it is the elasticity of the muscle that makes it contract.  The golgi could not limit the elastic effect because it wont change the properties of the muscle that makes it elastic.  It acts like a resistor limits the voltage required to fire the muscle when the mechanical load gets larger which wont limit anything in elastic shorting because it is not firing.  If the golgi senses overload while your muscle is contracting like a elastic it cannot stop it from contracting because that would mean your brain was telling it to contract.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent Pourciau</title>
		<link>http://www.topvelocity.net/pitch-velocity-elastic-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-491</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent Pourciau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lankylefty I will take your challenge. Thanks for stopping by!  
 
The excerpt from the book below called The Athlete&#039;s Shoulder written by Kevin E. Wilk, Michael M. Reinold, and James R. Andrews published in 2008 documents the shoulder activity by muscle and phase during baseball pitching. Table 32-1 clearly shows that the only accelerator muscle that increases its voluntary isometric contraction during the acceleration phase is the Triceps brachii. All the other accelerators maximum voluntary isometric contractions (MVIC) are occurring during the arm cocking phase. The book also states under the table that Gowan and colleagues demonstrated that muscle activity from the pectoralis major, supraspinatus, serratus anterior, and biceps brachii was approximately 50% greater in amateur pitchers compared with professional pitchers. From their data it can be concluded that better throwing efficiency by professional pitchers might require less muscle activity compared with amateurs. This is my point exactly. All of my points are based on comparisons between amateurs and professionals because everyone who reads my articles would more than likely like to be a professional one day. Thanks for the challenge my friend. 
 
&lt;iframe frameborder=&quot;0&quot; scrolling=&quot;no&quot; style=&quot;border:0px&quot; src=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=fI5Nu030NqIC&amp;lpg=PA385&amp;ots=U7uG881UqP&amp;dq=emg%20shoulder%20activity%20during%20pitching&amp;pg=PA386&amp;output=embed&quot; width=500 height=500&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lankylefty I will take your challenge. Thanks for stopping by! </p>
<p>The excerpt from the book below called The Athlete&#039;s Shoulder written by Kevin E. Wilk, Michael M. Reinold, and James R. Andrews published in 2008 documents the shoulder activity by muscle and phase during baseball pitching. Table 32-1 clearly shows that the only accelerator muscle that increases its voluntary isometric contraction during the acceleration phase is the Triceps brachii. All the other accelerators maximum voluntary isometric contractions (MVIC) are occurring during the arm cocking phase. The book also states under the table that Gowan and colleagues demonstrated that muscle activity from the pectoralis major, supraspinatus, serratus anterior, and biceps brachii was approximately 50% greater in amateur pitchers compared with professional pitchers. From their data it can be concluded that better throwing efficiency by professional pitchers might require less muscle activity compared with amateurs. This is my point exactly. All of my points are based on comparisons between amateurs and professionals because everyone who reads my articles would more than likely like to be a professional one day. Thanks for the challenge my friend.</p>
<p>&lt;iframe frameborder=&quot;0&quot; scrolling=&quot;no&quot; style=&quot;border:0px&quot; src=&quot;<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=fI5Nu030NqIC&#038;lpg=PA385&#038;ots=U7uG881UqP&#038;dq=emg%20shoulder%20activity%20during%20pitching&#038;pg=PA386&#038;output=embed&#038;quot" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=fI5Nu030NqIC&#038;lpg=PA385&#038;ots=U7uG881UqP&#038;dq=emg%20shoulder%20activity%20during%20pitching&#038;pg=PA386&#038;output=embed&#038;quot</a>; width=500 height=500&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: lankylefty</title>
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		<dc:creator>lankylefty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biomedexperts.com/Abstract.bme/6829838/An_EMG_analysis_of_the_shoulder_in_throwing_and_pitching_A_preliminary_report&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.biomedexperts.com/Abstract.bme/6829838...&lt;/a&gt;  
 
very very clever, using a study from 1983 (a one time, &quot;preliminary report&quot; study from 26 years ago to try to prove a point). In fact, I believe it was the same study Dick Mills cleverly used/ dug up to try to support his point of view that the arm is inactive in the throw. Very clever, I must commend you for managing to find &quot;science&quot; to back your point of view. 
 
 
Now, I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s a bad cue to tell a player to think t use his body first to whip the arm, but i have a problem with the misinformation and dishonesty in trying to claim that the arm makes no active attempt to throw the ball. That is a flat out lie. Anybody can see a major league player is using his arm to throw the ball (in addition to the energy built up from his body). I think it&#039;s ludicrous that few people seem to have caught on to this. 
 
I challenge you to find 3 more studies supporting this point of view, from the last 10 years. No, just one more study, from the last 10 years and done by different researchers that supports your argument. And post clips of throwers in your articles so people can decide for themselves if you&#039;re making sense. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.biomedexperts.com/Abstract.bme/6829838/An_EMG_analysis_of_the_shoulder_in_throwing_and_pitching_A_preliminary_report" rel="nofollow">http://www.biomedexperts.com/Abstract.bme/6829838&#8230;</a>  </p>
<p>very very clever, using a study from 1983 (a one time, &quot;preliminary report&quot; study from 26 years ago to try to prove a point). In fact, I believe it was the same study Dick Mills cleverly used/ dug up to try to support his point of view that the arm is inactive in the throw. Very clever, I must commend you for managing to find &quot;science&quot; to back your point of view.</p>
<p>Now, I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s a bad cue to tell a player to think t use his body first to whip the arm, but i have a problem with the misinformation and dishonesty in trying to claim that the arm makes no active attempt to throw the ball. That is a flat out lie. Anybody can see a major league player is using his arm to throw the ball (in addition to the energy built up from his body). I think it&#039;s ludicrous that few people seem to have caught on to this.</p>
<p>I challenge you to find 3 more studies supporting this point of view, from the last 10 years. No, just one more study, from the last 10 years and done by different researchers that supports your argument. And post clips of throwers in your articles so people can decide for themselves if you&#039;re making sense.</p>
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		<title>By: 10 Legitimate tips to Pitching Velocity : Pitching Velocity Mechanics</title>
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		<dc:creator>10 Legitimate tips to Pitching Velocity : Pitching Velocity Mechanics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Once you have built core torque and your shoulders are ready to fire, thrust your chest forward while your arm externally rotates behind your head. This stretching of the stomach and shoulder is creating elastic energy in your body. The more relaxed you are the more elastic energy that can be created. To learn more about this read the article, &#8220;Pitch Velocity = Elastic energy.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Once you have built core torque and your shoulders are ready to fire, thrust your chest forward while your arm externally rotates behind your head. This stretching of the stomach and shoulder is creating elastic energy in your body. The more relaxed you are the more elastic energy that can be created. To learn more about this read the article, &#8220;Pitch Velocity = Elastic energy.&#8221; [...]</p>
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