Comments on: Separation and Triple Extension http://www.topvelocity.net/separation-and-triple-extension/ Everything Pitching Velocity! Velocity Mechanics, Velocity Drills, Velocity Training and much more. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 01:33:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Brent Pourciau http://www.topvelocity.net/separation-and-triple-extension/comment-page-3/#comment-1306 Brent Pourciau Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:54:14 +0000 http://topvelocity.net/?p=1538#comment-1306 Separation is increased through speed or power. If you can focus on your power lifts and the anaerobic conditioning part in the baseball training manual then you should see your front leg staying more stable and your triple extension more explosive. This will create more separation. Hanan can you continue this conversation at the forums because these comments are growing long? Thanks! <a href="http://topvelocity.net/forum/" rel="nofollow">http://topvelocity.net/forum/</a> Separation is increased through speed or power. If you can focus on your power lifts and the anaerobic conditioning part in the baseball training manual then you should see your front leg staying more stable and your triple extension more explosive. This will create more separation. Hanan can you continue this conversation at the forums because these comments are growing long? Thanks!

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]]> By: Hanan Burki http://www.topvelocity.net/separation-and-triple-extension/comment-page-3/#comment-1303 Hanan Burki Tue, 06 Sep 2011 17:53:53 +0000 http://topvelocity.net/?p=1538#comment-1303 Hey Brent, 1st week of training past, already noticing a better posture so going well. I had a quick question with separation,to increase your separation are there any specific flexibility drills? or will the separation angle increase with strength? thanks, :D Hey Brent,

1st week of training past, already noticing a better posture so going well.

I had a quick question with separation,to increase your separation are there any specific flexibility drills? or will the separation angle increase with strength?

thanks, :D

]]> By: Brent Pourciau http://www.topvelocity.net/separation-and-triple-extension/comment-page-3/#comment-1268 Brent Pourciau Sat, 27 Aug 2011 01:24:11 +0000 http://topvelocity.net/?p=1538#comment-1268 Here is your analysis Hanan. <a href="http://topvelocity.net/forum/talk-velocity/cricket-bowling-analysis/" rel="nofollow">http://topvelocity.net/forum/talk-velocity/cricke...</a> Here is your analysis Hanan.
http://topvelocity.net/forum/talk-velocity/cricke…

]]> By: Brent Pourciau USAW http://www.topvelocity.net/separation-and-triple-extension/comment-page-2/#comment-1263 Brent Pourciau USAW Fri, 26 Aug 2011 11:58:54 +0000 http://topvelocity.net/?p=1538#comment-1263 That works. I will see what I can do. That works. I will see what I can do.

]]> By: Hanan Burki http://www.topvelocity.net/separation-and-triple-extension/comment-page-2/#comment-1261 Hanan Burki Fri, 26 Aug 2011 06:58:33 +0000 http://topvelocity.net/?p=1538#comment-1261 Hi Brent: Link to the video (it's the best I can find) <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHiPLSgvznY" rel="nofollow">www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHiPLSgvznY</a> You want to skip to 4.48 min into the video Thanks again, :D Hi Brent:

Link to the video (it's the best I can find)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHiPLSgvznY

You want to skip to 4.48 min into the video

Thanks again, :D

]]> By: Brent Pourciau http://www.topvelocity.net/separation-and-triple-extension/comment-page-2/#comment-1257 Brent Pourciau Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:10:02 +0000 http://topvelocity.net/?p=1538#comment-1257 Hanan, if you could find a video on youtube of Shoaib Akhtar from a side perspective like the video footage that you sent me then I can do a comparison and give you some tips. Hanan, if you could find a video on youtube of Shoaib Akhtar from a side perspective like the video footage that you sent me then I can do a comparison and give you some tips.

]]> By: Hanan Burki http://www.topvelocity.net/separation-and-triple-extension/comment-page-2/#comment-1255 Hanan Burki Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:20:14 +0000 http://topvelocity.net/?p=1538#comment-1255 You know what I will purchase the product (When I get paid :) Did you get a chance to look at my action (The link above) ? I'll understand if you can't comment if you are charging for this service but a brief comment on what is majorly wrong would be great. You know what I will purchase the product (When I get paid :)

Did you get a chance to look at my action (The link above) ?

I'll understand if you can't comment if you are charging for this service but a brief comment on what is majorly wrong would be great.

]]> By: Brent Pourciau http://www.topvelocity.net/separation-and-triple-extension/comment-page-2/#comment-1254 Brent Pourciau Thu, 25 Aug 2011 00:29:43 +0000 http://topvelocity.net/?p=1538#comment-1254 I would recommend that you purchase the 3X Pitching Velocity program because as you said there is nothing out there for bowling. It will definitely help you increase velocity mainly because of the strength and conditioning program which was developed for a throwing athlete. The training program alone will give you what you need. As for the throwing drills in the program it works to teach you triple extension and hip to shoulder separation and I believe as you get comfortable with the program you will see how it needs to be modified for bowling. Let's put it this way. If this video above helped you then wait until you see the hours and hours of video that comes with the program. You will be very happy you bought it. If you purchase the program and you feel that I am totally wrong then I will give you a full refund. I would recommend that you purchase the 3X Pitching Velocity program because as you said there is nothing out there for bowling. It will definitely help you increase velocity mainly because of the strength and conditioning program which was developed for a throwing athlete. The training program alone will give you what you need. As for the throwing drills in the program it works to teach you triple extension and hip to shoulder separation and I believe as you get comfortable with the program you will see how it needs to be modified for bowling. Let's put it this way. If this video above helped you then wait until you see the hours and hours of video that comes with the program. You will be very happy you bought it. If you purchase the program and you feel that I am totally wrong then I will give you a full refund.

]]> By: Hanan Burki http://www.topvelocity.net/separation-and-triple-extension/comment-page-2/#comment-1251 Hanan Burki Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:55:04 +0000 http://topvelocity.net/?p=1538#comment-1251 WOW, thank you so much for your analysis. You cannot imagine how useful this is to me. Coaches here do not teach this, they believe a bowler is born not made. So either by chance you have the right mechanics or not. Now I see this is totally wrong. This link is MY ACTION. Am I right in then assuming I am not at all applying the triple extension and therefore little or no shoulder to hip separation? which explains the occasional shooting pains in my arm. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Eg9oRCBj8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Eg9oRCBj8</a> You are selling a product which is geared towards baseball. Do you not have something that is solely a training program for shoulder to hip separation and triple extension? as anything baseball related is irrelevant. (i.e. a reduced advanced training version). I'll be happy to purchase. Thank you again Brent - I actually want to play some baseball now :D WOW, thank you so much for your analysis. You cannot imagine how useful this is to me. Coaches here do not teach this, they believe a bowler is born not made. So either by chance you have the right mechanics or not. Now I see this is totally wrong.

This link is MY ACTION. Am I right in then assuming I am not at all applying the triple extension and therefore little or no shoulder to hip separation? which explains the occasional shooting pains in my arm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Eg9oRCBj8

You are selling a product which is geared towards baseball. Do you not have something that is solely a training program for shoulder to hip separation and triple extension? as anything baseball related is irrelevant. (i.e. a reduced advanced training version). I'll be happy to purchase.

Thank you again Brent – I actually want to play some baseball now :D

]]> By: Brent Pourciau http://www.topvelocity.net/separation-and-triple-extension/comment-page-2/#comment-1248 Brent Pourciau Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:57:46 +0000 http://topvelocity.net/?p=1538#comment-1248 Hanan, the differences between bowling in Cricket and Pitching is that pitching starts in a static position and bowlers are allowed to run or build up momentum into the throw. This means that the stride is not as important to the bowler than the pitcher. The pitcher needs a long stride to have more time to build momentum and the bowler just needs a long field to run on to build momentum. This is why a bowler can reach speeds up to 100mph without externally rotating the arm. If they tried to externally rotating the arm they probably would do a lot of damage to the rotator cuff. The only mechanical component that I feel is just as critical to both the bowler and the pitcher when it comes to velocity is back hip to back shoulder separation at front foot strike. Which I talk about in the video here. Triple extension will help the bowler to achieve optimal hip to shoulder separation but it is not as important to do this than it is for the pitcher. See the video here of Lincecum and Akhtar, Lincecum is using a longer stride with more more triple extension to generate speed and Akhtar already has the speed from the run and is using some triple extension to open the hips before front foot strike so he can convert the speed into torque which is the separation of the hips to shoulders. <img src="http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa173/xvue84/pitching%20clips/lincecumVSakhtarslow.gif" /> The deference in these deliveries is in the starting position and what matches up the same is how these two athletes convert speed or the power of the stride or run into the body at front foot strike. They both use hip to shoulder separation to convert that speed or power into torque. This eventually works up the kinetic chain and launches the shoulders and then arm. Hanan, the differences between bowling in Cricket and Pitching is that pitching starts in a static position and bowlers are allowed to run or build up momentum into the throw. This means that the stride is not as important to the bowler than the pitcher. The pitcher needs a long stride to have more time to build momentum and the bowler just needs a long field to run on to build momentum. This is why a bowler can reach speeds up to 100mph without externally rotating the arm. If they tried to externally rotating the arm they probably would do a lot of damage to the rotator cuff.

The only mechanical component that I feel is just as critical to both the bowler and the pitcher when it comes to velocity is back hip to back shoulder separation at front foot strike. Which I talk about in the video here. Triple extension will help the bowler to achieve optimal hip to shoulder separation but it is not as important to do this than it is for the pitcher. See the video here of Lincecum and Akhtar, Lincecum is using a longer stride with more more triple extension to generate speed and Akhtar already has the speed from the run and is using some triple extension to open the hips before front foot strike so he can convert the speed into torque which is the separation of the hips to shoulders.

<img src="http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa173/xvue84/pitching%20clips/lincecumVSakhtarslow.gif&quot; />

The deference in these deliveries is in the starting position and what matches up the same is how these two athletes convert speed or the power of the stride or run into the body at front foot strike. They both use hip to shoulder separation to convert that speed or power into torque. This eventually works up the kinetic chain and launches the shoulders and then arm.

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