Anyway im going to check out the link and post back with any questions i have. As far as my max squat and power clean im pretty sure that was rhetorical question. Again, wasnt really thinking much when i wrote that past post. To put it better than "simple" i just thought there would be more movement lifts, specific to baseball. As in like SL BTN Lunges w/ bar. Im just a 18 year old kid so as far as i know those are very baseball specific lifts, but i kind of felt that they were regular lifts that i see most guys in the weightroom doing. Not questioning your credibility, just curious because although ive gotten alot of baseball experience and knowledge from various camps, showcases, coaches etc. its nowhere near comparable to yours.

Also UPDATE: Im 3 1/2 months out of tommy john surgery. So sadly, although i will be able to shadow some of your drills i will not be able to do them at game speed for quite sometime. This obviously coincides with lifting excercises. Basically all im currently doing is running long distance, sprints i.e. 100 yard – 60 yard dashes, and core work. Right now im just trying to learn as much about all aspects of the game as possible.

Thanks for your time!!

This is the first line of communication I have had with you. If you would like to use the program correctly then you need to start with the instructional videos so you know that you are doing everything correctly. If you feel that the exercises and the lifts are simple then I would like to know what your power clean max is and your back squat max is. I know that if you were actually doing these lifts you would never call them simple. Next time before you post your review on this site I would appreciate that you first actually work with me so I can get you what you need. That is why I do this. I am not here to just take your money. I am here to help. You paid $59 for the handbook and Fed Ex Kinkos charges me $45 to print and ship. That means I made $14 dollars to sell you my entire program that took me 10 years to develop. It is obvious that I do this because I want to help pitchers like you reach your velocity goals. So, let's start over. I want you to watch this video bellow and then please post on the forums here your questions so we can get you on the right track.

http://topvelocity.net/pitching-101/

The med ball works were very helpful and i found them useful, however most of the other workouts seemed extremely simple, mostly things i had already known. Im not sure if this was because i train at a very high level of competition or you were just giving the absolute base workouts. Anyway after reading and re-reading the book, i found mysef only gaining about a 3/4 page of useful information. (i record all helpfull baseball related topics in a marbeled notebook). i am sad to say this because i had originally believed this book to be a crucial part of training.

I still have alot of respect for you and your company. You are an idol to me and i look up to all major leaguers, former and current. I will always appreciate what you have done for the baseball community, but please, if convienent give a detailed analysis of the topics covered within the first few page (mechanics) of the 3x velocity book. thank you for your time!

I have total confidence in my program. My program is why I was able to overcome rotator cuff surgery and play again, after doctors told me I was finished. I not only played again but played professionally and topped out at 94mph when I was told this could not happen. I did not use extreme long toss and neither did Jim "The Rookie" Morris when he made his incredible come back. You need to listen to my interview with him here http://topvelocity.net/jim-the-rookie-morris-inte…. He also used a heavy weight training program.

"Can you tell us what criteria you use before accepting research and passing it along as valid? If you want us to accept this study as the final word, you should have no trouble telling us why."

Here is my process in finding my references. I read everything I can put my hands on and if I find something that I like, I post it. I am open to reading anything. I am also open to any debate. This is why I let you insult me on my own website. Do you think Alan Jaeger would do this? I seriously doubt it! If I find any information that opens my eyes to new information, I jump all over it. I have always been this way. If I was not like this then I would have never overcame a major career ending injury. I had to stay open minded because I needed to find something that worked and worked fast. Extreme Long toss was definitely not it and believe me I tried it. Not only does it not work physically but it doesn't work on paper either. To answer your last question.

"You should also be able to tell us the difference in angle at release required to throw a ball 200? vs. 120?. So, what is it?"

What angle are we talking about here. The angle of the elbow to wrist or the angle of the trunk. The angle of the trunk is the problem and this is what they pointed out in the ASMI case study here "Forward trunk tilt at the instant of ball release decreased as throwing distance increased." We know that in high velocity pitchers they have more forward trunk tilt at release which is stated in the high velocity to low velocity ASMI case study here "forward trunk tilt at ball release were also greater in the higher velocity group." This is why Jeager has his "Pull Down Phase." Here is my article on why his "Pull Down Phase" is a bad solution to this problem.

http://topvelocity.net/pulling-down-is-slowing-do…

If you really want to continue to spin this topic then how about I post a link to this discussion on the ASMI forums? Would you be cool with this?

http://asmiforum.proboards.com

As I've mentioned above, more than once, I'm not a proponent of long toss. I'm neutral on the topic, as I am about everything until I've found good evidence on which to base a decision. What you've supplied is not good evidence, and it's also clear you don't really understand it and are just hoping the credentials will impress people into accepting it blindly.

And, every question I've asked but one, you've evaded. Evading questions and calling people "droids" doesn't make you come across as someone who has confidence in your theories.

Can you tell us what criteria you use before accepting research and passing it along as valid? If you want us to accept this study as the final word, you should have no trouble telling us why.

You should also be able to tell us the difference in angle at release required to throw a ball 200' vs. 120'. So, what is it?

I do appreciate your willingness to apply, but you really haven't addressed any of the points I brought up in any of my posts above. You sort of referred to one, but not really in a way that logically addressed the question.

I appreciate that you're trying to help young pitchers, but it's quite clear you don't really understand the scientific method. The study you cite about the three groups above has no bearing on long-toss whatsoever.

While I have some respect for what the ASMI has tried to do, their methods are very suspect. In fact, the main reason the ASMI was founded was because the doctors who do the bulk of the work there (especially the controversial Dr. Andrews) couldn't get the funding to do it anywhere else. For example, the other study you cite (which we had already discussed) is hardly the final word on the subject, for two reasons: 1) It's a quantitative study, not a qualitative one. Its sample group is far too small for a quantitative study, especially one of its kind. 2) There's no effect documented (and for that, you would also need a control group). All of what they observe is speculative as far as conclusions. That's why they use vague terms like "caution is advised."

We're still in the very early stages of understanding exactly why really get injured in the pitching motion. The more anyone tries to define a "rule," the more cases there are to contradict the rule. Take Chris O'Leary's vengeance against the "Inverted W." If a layman reads his stuff, he can make a pretty convincing case. But, if you understand how the scientific method works, you understand there's nothing but anecdotal evidence, which doesn't prove anything. There's just as much, if not far more so, anecdotal evidence that the "Inverted W" is no more dangerous than a "conventional" pitching motion.

Also, nowhere in anything I've written have I said, implied, or even hinted at being a pitcher or doing long-toss. In fact, if you go back and read my first post, you'll see I'm not 100 percent sold on it. But, I do believe in proper methodology and logic, which you are not employing here.

I am neither an advocate nor a practitioner of long toss. I have my own questions about its efficacy, which is what lands me on sites like this. But, nothing in the evidence your citing or in your own arguments is making any kind of logical case for showing any cause-and-effect as to why long toss should be avoided.

This study will answer your question why heavy load training is the ONLY way to increase velocity and long toss isn't. The study is called Baseball Throwing Velocity: A Comparison of Medicine Ball Training and Weight Training and you can read it here. This study took one group that only threw a baseball for 8 weeks and another group that threw the baseball for 8 weeks and did med ball training and the last group which threw the baseball for 8 weeks and did heavy weight training. The only group that increased velocity was the heavy weight training group.

This is the case because heavy load training is the only training that recruits more fast twitch muscle fibers and builds more motor units. Yes, you need to train your central nervous system to fire its motors units quickly through the sequence of joints that throws a ball but this alone will not increase velocity if are currently a baseball player. This would only increase velocity for someone who never throws a baseball.

Your use of the word "Arm strength" is a poor term when it comes to velocity. Velocity is generated more effectively and efficiently through the legs and core and long toss does NOT build explosive strength at all. The American Sports Medicine Institute has NOW proven extreme long toss as being a destructive training exercise for pitchers because it causes injury and changes pitching mechanics. This was their final analysis of extreme long toss.

"Maximum distance throws produce increased torques and changes in kinematics; caution is therefore advised for use of these throws in rehabilitation and training."

You can read the entire study here called Biomechanical Comparison of Baseball Pitching and Long-Toss: Implications for Training and Rehabilitation.

I highly recommend that you purchase my program the 3X Pitching Velocity Program because if you continue down this destructive path of extreme long toss you will run across this conversation on this website when you are older and kick yourself for not opening your mind to a new approach to pitching. I promise you this because I speak from experience.