Elite Pitchers Boot Camp vs 3X Velocity Camp | 3X Velocity Camps | TopVelocity Baseball Forum
April 4, 2013
I was wondering if someone could tell me the difference between Ron Wolforth’s elite pitchers boot camp and the 3x velocity camp. I am a in high school in Florida and I wanted to work on my pitching velocity this summer. I heard about the Texas baseball ranch and when I did some searching online I found topvelocity. The 3x velocity camp is closer to my home so I thought this would be a closer option than traveling to the texas ranch but I don’t know the difference between the two camps. Has anyone on this site attended both camps and could give a comparison between the two or just a reason why you think one is better than the other? This would help a lot.
December 9, 2011
I can’t tell you about the 3x camps but the elite pitchers boot camp is nothing short of amazing and life changing. I do know that both camps specialize in mechanics and mechanical efficiency, but the ranch eliminates any pain you have in your arm. I have been going there for almost 2 years and I have yet to have a sore arm or any arm pain since going there. I know brent isn’t big into long toss and weighted balls because of ASMI studies, the ranch uses both heavily. There is research done about them both but I question the studies because nothing has happened yet with me or friends that have gone there with me. Both camps do med ball work and lift and do strength and conditioning. The only difference there is that we are told to stay away from some lifts such as bench press and snatches because it might put stress on muscles that are vital for throwing. Ultimately its your decision, if you have any questions feel free to ask me, I love both approaches I’ve just been brought up through the ranch.
April 4, 2013
Thanks for the quick response. Would it be to much to ask if you could kind of give me an itenerary of the 3 day camp. Like how long each day, what kind of things are you doing and do you spend a lot of time with coach ron? Also how many pitchers attend the camps together? That would really help me make a decision for this summer. thanks again.
December 11, 2012
I have personally been to a 3x camp and it was a very intense experience for me. The 3x approach is an approach that enhances hip to shoulder separation. I have not been to the ranch but I do know people who have been and report good things. However, I have heard they do not support power cleans along with the snatch. Power cleans are king when it comes to force production enhancement, and that is what pitching is about. Topvelocity also has this forum which you are on, and as far as accessibility to the instructor/creator of topvelocity Brent it is unbeatable. He will help you through every step of the program. It is the most complete program I have done with the mechanics, strength and conditioning, nutrition, and mental game. But don’t take our word for it call Brent himself he will be happy to talk to you. You will trully be blown away by how much Brent will help you to reach your full potential. Good Luck.
December 9, 2011
to be honest the number of kids varies between 15-20 or 30-40, it varies camp to camp. At the camp Ron and his wife jill are both there along with brent strom and flint wallace, and some helpers. You spend alot of time with ron and he loves answering questions about everything. At the end of the day he stays after at the ranch so people can ask him more questions and some get more work in on new concepts.
I don’t know the exact times but i’ll give you a rough draft of the itinerary:
You show up at 3 or so and ron gives you a notebook you use throughout the camp and he introduces who will help out with the bootcamp. Then he takes you through a slide show about why you have come to the ranch. After giving you some motivation to start he starts talking about how to eliminate pain in your arm and what is causing it. He gives a very detailed explanation of mechanical efficiency and then tells you where you need to be as an athlete. An hour later or so he takes you outside and puts you through his wake up/warm up and hip mobility. Then you throw a few off of the mound while they video tape you. After you asses your functional movement and how to improve it along with soft tissue work. Then you can ask him questions, not a very busy first day.
The second day is the longest day and the best in my opinion. At like 8AM you get there and take a picture with ron and all of the coaches as a memory then go through warm up and hip mobility. Then you get into groups and go to stations for the rest of the day. The stations include: Video anaylsis, Deceleration training, simplifying your delivery with brent, intro to the ranch drills, workouts and how to build skill specific strength, med ball wall and long toss. They all go for about an hour and what ever station you dont get to the second day you do the third day. I can’t put the stations in detail because all of the secrets that are told at the ranch stay at the ranch.
The third day after warm up you finish up your stations and then ron takes you through wrist weights and conditioning stuff. After your stations its Radar gun time, I went up 7 MPH in 3 days and 13 MPH before the High School season. After the camp they thank you for coming out and ron answers more questions and you leave with your plan to get to 90 MPH. Remember over 130 guys have hit 90 or better out of the camps 30 have hit 95 and 2 hit 100-(Chapman, Bundy)
April 27, 2008
@fastball99 I sent you a PM but I will also put together the 3X Velocity Camp itinerary for you so you have all of the information on each camp.
At the 3X Velocity Camp I only take up to 4 pitchers. The reason I do this is because the 3X Pitching Velocity Program is very challenging and you will need a lot of one on one time with me through the program. The entire 3 day camp lasts 20 hours. Here is the itinerary.
Day 1 – 3X Velocity Camp
You will arrive at around 12pm and receive all of the books and videos to the entire 3X Pitching Velocity Program along with a t-shirt. I then lecture for about 2 hours on the 3X Pitching Mechanics which currently covers the 2 Phase Delivery, 6 Components to 3X Pitching and the 44 Advanced components to 3X Pitching. The lecture will reference over 25 case studies to support the 3X pitching Mechanics. You will leave this lecture with a complete and seamless understanding of the high velocity pitching delivery.
Following the lecture I will warm the pitchers up with the linear and lateral dynamic warmup from the 3X programs. Then we will measure your vertical jump, broad jump, 60 yard speed and your pitching velocity. We will chart this on the board and analyze your athletic ability. After this we will start the basic instruction of the 3X Velocity System which is the throwing program. We will go over the concepts of 3X before front foot strike and how this enhances hip to shoulder separation. You will perform all of the med ball throws and target throws with me as I radar your throws and film you for live video analysis in between reps.
Day 2 – 3X Velocity Camp
We will start around 9am with a soft tissue routine to help with soreness and mobility. We will move into the linear and lateral dynamic warmup again and then start the med ball routine which is the core training from the Fusion System. The Fusion System is the Olympic Style strength and conditioning program in the 3X programs. Following the med ball routine I will give you a short lecture on the two schools of strength and conditioning. One school being the Olympic side and the other school being the physical therapy side. I will give you the pros and cons of both. I will also cover all of the many benefits of why Olympic Lifting is so effective for the power athlete/pitcher.
Following the lecture I will start instructing the cleans and then continue onto the rest of the lifts and exercises in the entire Fusion System. We will break for lunch around 12:30pm and head over to have some Louisiana BBQ at a place called Voodoo. After lunch we will continue into the Fusion System moving into the Anaerobic Conditioning working on energy systems and force production. We end the day in the Sled drill and then we all crawl home!
Day 3 – 3X Velocity Camp
We start the day again with soft tissue training along with the linear and lateral warm-up. This will be your sorest day and your slowest day because you are exhausted. After the warmup we will start the 3X Velocity System again and continue through the entire program using live video analysis to help you identify and fix your flaws. I will also introduce to you and instruct you through the Level 2, 3X Pre-Season and Level 2 throwing program. The camp ends with a final video analysis of you pitching from the mound. I will pair you up with a pro guy for comparison like I do on all the 3X Video analysis on the site and like the one I did here at the 3X Velocity Camp with Scott Morrow. This is Brandon Morrows brother.
This 3X Velocity Camp analysis will be recorded and posted to the web for you to view at a later date.
3X Velocity Camp Results
I do not expect much of a pitching velocity increase in the three days because of the intensity of the training but you will experience a significant jump in the drills that your pitching velocity is being measured in. I have had pitchers increase 5-10mph in one drill at the camp.
I have only had a little over 100 pitchers come through the 3X Velocity Camps in the past 2 years I have been offering them and I have had 100% of them increase pitching velocity following the program. I have had 7 break 90mph and 1 hit 95mph but most importantly all these pitchers where throwing under 85mph when they came to the 3X Velocity Camp and made their increase within the 16 weeks of the program. I have also had over 30+ pitchers increase into the upper 80’s. If you want to read some more reviews then check them out at the bottom of the 3X Velocity Pitching Bootcamp page.
I hope this helps you with your decision!
May 9, 2013
I have been thinking about joining up in one of the camps to help improve mechanics, velocity, etc. But I’m not sure if I should spend the money right now on it. During my college season I was throwing 76-77 mph topping at 79. Now, during the summer I am throwing 83-85 mph. I feel that I’m getting a better hang of the mechanics and lifting drills. Will this camp, in your opinion, help me out and get up to hopefully 89-90 mph? I will be happy to provide a brand-new video of a bullpen this Saturday (13th).
April 27, 2008
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