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August 28, 2011
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I’d just like to start this new topic so that he doesn’t flood the other things going on here. Brent is trying his best to help people with their mechanics and you come in nonchalantly and start barking your approach and it makes them a little confused. So i’ve started this so that you can properly explain your approach while Brent can properly analyse without having the disruption of flooding the topic.
So this basically his approach towards pitching.
Stand up.
Weight your rear leg.
Coil your REAR hip around the ball of the femur. Just the rear hip. Pelvis will move. But use JUST the muscles that turn the rear hip.
At the same time, resist that by trying to internally rotate your rear leg.
Do not let your rear knee turn rearward…yet….coil to the max.
Stalemate in the socket. Rag is wrung. Jar lid is tight.
You will feel pressure in the hip socket.
You will feel external rotation pressure in the rear foot at the ground.
You will be (should be) tight as hell in the rear hip socket.
Pull back/around with your lower back. Socket tightens.
Scap pinch. Socket tightens.
Resist with your leg….try to internally rotate it.
Lift your lead leg…you immediately begin to turn forward.
Your leg/hip are fused into a unit. The leg’s internal rotation moves your forward.
Resist that with the hip/back/scap as you move out.
THAT…..PERFECTLY…..describes Dan Haren.
Aggressively raise your arm to throw….pinching the scap tighter.
As the arm raises the rearward resistance lessens….goes to zero…the rear leg PULLS….(it never pushes)….and DRIVES and snaps everything forward with a suddenness that can only be achieved with this technique.
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September 13, 2011
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Thanks for explaining it, but I am a little confused what you said lol
April 27, 2008
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Z, I banned him from the site because he was threatening me in emails. I also found who he is. Here is his Facebook page. He owns a Billiards Sports Bar in Missouri and he is a teacher. It looks like he was a catcher in college at Truman State University.
http://gobulldogs.truman.edu/m…..allmg5.pdf
Richard Schenck, Catcher (1975)
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July 14, 2011
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Wow – I go away for a couple of months and all he** breaks loose. I haven’t seen that much fun on the site since L.A. Skip and Mr. bezball made their fleeting appearances. Sorry I missed this one. It takes a lot for Brent to ban someone – in fact, that’s the first time I’ve seen him do it. I thought you guys stood up well to such a towering intellect. Good to see that Z is still around to carry the banner. (Z, you forgot to explain to us how Haren got airborne without pushing off with his back leg…)
How do you argue with a guy with experience like this: “I have had a few pitchers ask for my advice”. And he took a pitcher who had Tommy John surgery from pre-surgery 90+ (what’s 90+ – 91? 92? 93?) right back to – ta da – 92-93! Wow – who’s ever seen that happen before? 90+ to 90+! And he never met the guy. Did it on Skype. Almost as impressive as Skip fixing Cole Hamel’s mechanics in a letter. (Don’t scoff at these claims – when I was a kid, I helped Bob Gibson many times using mental telepathy through my transistor radio.)
That’s the only actual pitching experience he mentions in all of that, but I’m sure he helped some of the other few pitchers who asked for his advice. He just forgot to mention them.
There are actually a couple of nuggets in there that could have been interesting to talk about if he was more articulate and civil. Bow-flex-bow is a Paul Nyman term. (I think he actually got the clip from Nyman.) Teacherman renamed it bow-arch-bow. Wow. That’s advanced. And he takes a shot at describing what Nyman called pelvic load – a very interesting concept worth discussing. Brent Strom and Ron Wolforth do it very well – and 3X addresses it without calling it pelvic loading. He obviously studied at the Paul Nyman School of Personality also. And I have to say he is very advanced in that area.
Brent always tries to answer guys like this – who come on the site only to proclaim their own brilliance and everyone else’s stupidity – with more grace than I would. I’ve had a few pitchers ask for my advice also, so I’m at least as qualified as Teacherman to have an opinion on the site – and this site is as cutting edge as anything you’ll find on pitching. Not because Brent was the first to discover and write about every pitching concept known to man – but, because at one point in his career he had a burning desire to learn. And he did the research and came up with as good an approach to pitching as you’ll find. And he’s still learning. Everytime someone asks a question or challenges him on something, he does the research and backs up his opinion with facts. Earl Weaver said “It’s what you learn after you think you know everything that counts.” Compare that to “No, I really don’t need to read those articles.”
To be clear, he completely misrepresents much of what Brent teaches – hard to believe, since he had an entire day to study the hundreds of videos, articles, and postings on the site. But, he did say one thing that I find completely believable – “I’ve found that many reject my personality.” Hard to argue with that.
Proud father of a U.S. Marine (HOME from Afghanistan)
April 27, 2008
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Thanks Coach! I thought I lost you. I needed your experience to help me deal with this ASS. I hate the fact that I banned him but it just got to a point where he wasn’t responding to anything anymore but his own words as he obsessively graffitied the site. He almost posted 50 times in only a few hours and he was repeating himself in most of his posts.
Your post above couldn’t have defined the situation any better. You gave us all a better understanding of this type of ego and where he is getting his information. There is nothing more irritating than someone doing his best to talk over your head during a debate. You should read the emails that he is still sending me.
Beaware he made find his way back in and start the chaos all over again. If he does I would appreciate some advice on how to deal with someone like this. I always did my best to avoid negative egos in my baseball career, the problem now is it is hard to avoid someone online! Thanks for all your support Coach!
April 27, 2008
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On a lighter note, Coach Robo can you make any sense of his approach which Z has posted above? I was hoping to have a constructive debate with him but he obviously didn’t want to have it. I hate to ask you to help him out here but sense you understand where he is getting his info from I was hoping you could put what he is trying to say in laymen’s terms for us all. It sounds like his approach is not that far from 3X but just like most of the others, it has a lot of holes in it.
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July 14, 2011
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You had the right idea when you were playing. You can’t deal with someone like that. Just avoid them. They are a waste of time.
The best teachers are the ones who are still interested in and excited about learning. Then their teaching just consists of their sharing the learning experience. The best way to learn something is to teach it. But, the point is that the act of learning is what makes you a good teacher. It’s impossible to be a good teacher if you’re not a good learner. It sounds circular because it is.
I had been studying pitching for thirty years – but, I found you because I was still trying to learn. I learned a lot from you – and reshaped how I teach because of it. First you learned, then you shared your learning with me and others. That’s how you teach. After I learned from you – I kept trying to learn. And I have. That all sounds kind of high-falutin’ – but, learning is a fascinating subject. And learning is exciting and fun. At the end of every baseball season I coached, I thought to myself “I think this is the year I finally learned enough to be a good coach next year.”
Teacherman has stopped trying to learn. No matter how much he knows, that makes him the stupidest kind of man there is.
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July 14, 2011
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Our posts crossed. Your post confirms my post above. You’re still trying to learn. I’ll take a look at it and get back to you.
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