Velocity and Hitting | Infielders | TopVelocity Baseball Forum
October 12, 2011
April 27, 2008
Randy, I am assuming you read this article.
I am glad you are pushing me. I am currently finishing up the 3X Pitching Velocity program Level 2. I have a few colleges and high schools who are currently waiting for its release. Once I am done with Level 2 then I will begin the 3X Pitching In-Season program. I also have a few colleges and high schools expecting this to release before the season. I promise when this is done, I will then move into the FVS Position Player Velocity system. In the meantime, I will try to give you a glimpse of what to expect.
I would recommend that you purchase the Baseball Training Manual because it includes the Fusion System, which is also in the 3X Pitching Velocity system. Your son needs to start this strength and conditioning program because this is the type of program that most top level D1 colleges are using with their ball players.
A Glimpse of the FVS Position Player Velocity system:
It will include the science behind the approach along with many med ball and baseball drills, like the 3X Power Throws, to help implement the motor coordination around the FVS mechanics. It will also come with the latest version of the Fusion system. Stay tuned!!!
July 28, 2011
Brent and Randy: in addition to my interest in the 3X system to help my kids become faster pitchers, I am also interested in hitting. I recently found a great study on the web which I'm now in the process of reading and summarizing so I can start using some of the material to help my kids' hitting (http://scholarlyrepository.mia…..tions/540/).
I plan on posting my summaries, although I may end up doing it on another site since this site is primarily focused on pitching. I'll make sure to notify people here when its posted. In brief, I definitely believe the fusion system can improve hitting. However (if you've been reading this site religiously the following will make sense to you): the top hitters are more like Justin Verlander than Tim Lincecum in terms of lower body mechanics. JR
I've got a 14 year old son with a pretty strong arm. He plays 3B, no longer pitches. What do you recommend for increasing his infield velocity, as well as hitting? How's the FVS system coming? Thanks. Randy
I would like to view video clips of your son, batting and throwing in order for me to be able to make any suggestions for improvement, one thing that players nowadays are not being taught is that pitchers and outfielders should have different arm movements than catchers and infielders. I teach infielders and catchers in particular to let the elbow lead the ball in hand out of the glove letting the elbow come back and up no higher than shoulder height keeping the fore arm parallel to the surface ball momentarily facing the surface, then letting the ball in hand do a circular movement around in close and by the ear to a vertical position while the elbow at shoulder height, no higher moves forward bringing the forearm with ball in hand, w/fingers on top on forward to release point, the front shoulder, hip and elbow then glove need to be aimed at the target prior to the throw which should be executed with a strong rear foot bite into the surface. I view numerous players who are very lazy with the fore arm and wrist, they do not let them fire the ball to it's target. take note that there are times when one will just have to do what one has to do to get the ball to it's target. I never like to see the fingers on the sides or under the ball unless there is no other option, throwers need to make it their responsibility to give their receivers the best throw possible, The throw that put Pujols out of commission is a perfect example. good throws make double plays “SUCCESSFUL” bad throws “DO NOT.”
Work on it.
If you want the best book personally written by the most intelligent contact hitter ever in the game go out and buy Mr. Ted Williams book, “The Science Of Hitting,” what so many people do is to follow everyone’s methods out there and before they know it they are totally confused without a successful plan to work with, coaching nowadays is mostly based on old conventional, uneducated, opinionated methods, I find this to be true within every level of baseball due to the fact that proven scientific facts are not used, It is great that Brent is not in that category and brings great baseball to the table. what I really like about Brent’s info. is the fact that he is exposing Scientific Research proof of how the body in motion should work in difference as to how the body in motion does work, hip to shoulder separation, the three pivots, triple extension etc.
Where the real problem on hitting comes in is the fact that due to the new bat rules batters are going to have to learn a whole new way of getting the ball on the sweet spot of the BB core bats, the bat will no longer do the job, the batters are going to have to learn how to become thinkers, and how to focus more intently, and of course who is going to teach them? Coaches nowadays are metal born with no wood bat experience or experience on how to successfully use their hips and hands as is apparent to me, those of us that have come full cycle, made the transition back from wood to metal to wood are certainly more experienced and knowledgeable than those who haven’t been there, it is going to be a long journey for the metal born players and coaches unless they grab onto Ted Williams successful methods and run with them. I would suggest to all coaches to find someone who has the wood bat exp, who can teach and to turn their batters over to them, look at the drastic drop in hitting last year, now the high school players are going to get their dose.
Best of luck.
August 28, 2011
Don, I really think you shouldn’t be focusing on the arm movement. It gets to complex. What you should be teaching is to use 3X for optimal force vector and optimal hip to shoulder separation. And if you’re trying to teach arm movement check out chrisoleary’s site. He mentions all the things that the arm should be doing. The way you’re explaining the arm movement is wrong. So take a look at the site and I’m sure you’ll be making differences. And I find that the real problem with hitting is not how fast you can swing the bat, but how you’re going to contact the ball. I am not a very fast swinger, and I use a smaller bat (compared to the others), so I have a faster swing, but I can’t seem to contact the ball. So as coaches, what we should be focusing on more is contacting the ball, how to watch the pitcher and know what he is going to throw so that you could wait and hit a changeup on time or take a hack at his fastball, whatever it is. I think bat speed should be secondary to that. Like what we talked about from Moneyball. That the more we get on base the better of a hitter we are. Not someone who can hit homeruns occasionally and get struck out or gives easy outs from not watching the ball. Just something about coaching hitting, if you don’t like my opinion, I’m happy to discuss about it ;D.
I do not mean to be rude so do not take my comments as such, but I do tell it like it is.
What is your age, playing and coaching exp.?
I will say that if you had just one iota of years of exp. and knowledge that I have acquired in the past fifty years you would have a better understanding of the arm movement and how the movement works whether it being a pitcher, an outfielder or a catcher and infielders, I look at o'leary's video's and comments etc. he is very knowledgeable but due to our age differences I most likely have been there in many ways and areas prior to him, and no I would not make any changes from my way to his, I possibly would use some of his drills. your comment telling me that the way I explain arm movements is wrong tells me what your experience level is in the throwing area in particular, you need to view and study some excellent infielders, Furcal, SS and Freese, 3rd base Cards, Scott Roland, Cincinnati 3rd base, as far as infielders go, they have guns for arms and they throw bullets across the infield basically the way I described. as I mentioned in my comments most people, coaches etc do not bother with throwing unless a player is throwing the ball over the place. No, I really do not agree with your opinion, which is exactly what it is, an opinion. it takes many years of playing,”STUDYING”and becoming an excellent student of baseball and coaching at virtually every level of baseball in order to acquire the proper “TEACHING” skills that all players deserve, it is sad that a greater number of coaches have not become excellent students of the game as Brent, myself and a few other coaches have done, do not get me wrong, I do not claim to know it all but in my opinion I have a lot more exp. and knowledge than a great number of coaches out there due to the fact that most of them are still stuck in their old school conventional, opinionated ways and are not expanding their “TEACHING and COACHING” horizons I personally applaud those who have become excellent students of the game which qualifies them as capable teachers who can teach their athletes how to play their game to the best of their mental and physical capabilities. those smart ones who have and are learning from Scientific Research findings proof which pushes the old conventional, opinionated methods aside are few and far between, what is so great about Scientific research findings is what Brent so unselfishly brings to the table through his many years of extensive research, exp. and knowledge. to me the most interesting aspect brought to the table is, how the body in motion should work in difference as to how the body naturally works throughout it's movement from start to finish, there is quite a difference between the two ways, such as hips leading the way from the rubber, triple extension, hip to shoulder separation, force vector, proper front foot touch down along with many other aspects. which Brent describes so well here on his web site.
I teach from proven scientific video taped facts, not on opinion which many people in every level of baseball including major league people simply cannot do due to the fact that they know absolutely nothing about Scientific proven facts or individual skills especially when it comes to pitching which sadly is an unaddressed coaching phase of individual skills that many, many coaches turn their back on unless they decide who pitches or goes to the mound during a game.
The only thing I will mention on batting/hitting there is a difference between the two is that making good hard barrel to ball contact is all about timing, no matter what size or weight of bat one uses, and that pitching is all about destroying a batters timing. starting in Legion ball I used the lightest and skinniest handled 34 inch bats I could get my hands on, because they just felt good in my hands which I could use very well, i always had good flexible wrists and hands and I never feared any pitchers fast ball although some did throw their fast ball by me some times.
I mentioned experience and knowledge due to the fact that I have over fifty years of playing and coaching exp. behind me, from the youth level to the legion level on to summer college ball as a legion player and was very fortunate to have been able to play some professional ball also, during those and these times I have played, studied and have expanded my baseball learning horizons tremendously, I also have have coached from the youth leagues on into some college ball coaching.
April 27, 2008
Z, Don was describing throwing mechanics off of the mound. There is a big difference between throwing in the field as opposed to pitching on the mound. One of the biggest challenges when throwing from a position is getting the ball out of the glove and into a good throwing position as soon as possible. This is so important because position players do not have the time to build a long and powerful stride before they throw the ball, like pitchers do. Don has done a great job in describing an approach that would be very effective. I also believe the your foot work is critical when throwing from the field. This is what I talk about in this article.
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