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December 29, 2012 – 1:39 pm
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Here’s a video from today.  Looks to me like he gets triple extension (or at least very close) but could still be more explosive in his lower half and make sure his angle with his front leg is a bit less upright.

He is up to 72 MPH (and is still 12).  Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

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3 frames during and after front foot strike:

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December 31, 2012 – 12:31 pm
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Yes, you are correct.

The mound looks way too high. This is why he is landing so vertical on his front leg force vector. He needs to lower his force vector in his drive leg before hitting 3X so he does not launch so vertical into front foot. This will improve his hip to shoulder separation by opening his hips earlier.

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Great point.   The mound is 6″-8″ high, but the bad thing about those temporary mounds is they sit on flat ground so you have a big drop off (rather than a gradual one), when you go from the height of the mound but land on the floor/ground (rather than a slope).  

I was wondering if that would cause a problem….  

 

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Hi Brent-

Here’s some game footage of Jack…  I was wondering if you had any quick thoughts of things he can improve on.

 

Slo mo:

 

And, at external rotaton:

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Jack’s progress is very encouraging.  Congratulations on that to you both!

I am trying to work my sons into 3x and was just wondering, so I have an idea, how tall Jack is and what he weighs.  I don’t want my boys to think that 70 is reasonable in 6 months if given their size, 60 would be good.

 

Also, wondering what you believe is the key to moving young pitchers along this well in Brent’s 3x approach.

 

Thank you!

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Tim has more front leg extension in the two pics. This just means he needs to develop more leg and core strength and power as he grows. Besides that he still looks great.

I would recommend you both come down to a 3X Velocity Camp this summer so I can setup a plan for Jack as he moves into high school specifically with his strength and conditioning. https://www.topvelocity.net/3x-…..louisiana/

 

 

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Hi Wayne-

Thanks for your kind words!

Jack is 5’2 3/4″ tall and 108 lbs.  Still pre-puberty, and is in 7th grade.

To me, 3x pitching has been the most eye-opening pitching-related information out there.  And, I’ve seriously looked at just about everything.  We do work with some complimentary programs re arm health (Wolforth, some of Cressey’s stuff), but, as far as making the single biggest difference in my son’s mechanics, 3x and Brent deserve the bulk of the credit. 

Jack has always been an “athletic-type” pitcher, but, in our experience, most “pitching instructors” knew one way of teaching.  The ones we worked with took the athleticism out of pitching and were more into balance points, standing tall and falling, moving slowly/controlled, etc. and preaching control over velocity.  It’s no wonder that mostly tall pitchers “make it,” because it seems that all instruction we had gotten was geared toward them.  3x pitching seems to take an understanding of how the body moves, and most coaches don’t really bother figuring that out (they just teach what they were taught, and the pitchers learning that old school technique seem to succeed despite their training rather than because of it…the rest are written off because they don’t have the correct size or genetics, which is a cop-out).  Frankly, if I hadn’t found TopVelocity, I would be very surpised if Jack would throw anywhere near as hard as he does, and he would likely have put more strain on his arm. 

The key to me is focus and dedication to the program…and getting involved as a parent.   Jack and I work with Brent’s program several times a week, religiously.   The med ball drills are fantastic (biggest difference maker), as are his other theories toward strength and conditioning and movement.  It’s never too young to incorporate a lot of that.   Some days he’d rather not do it, but it just takes a tiny bit of prodding, kinda like being your son’s personal trainer. :)    My other advice also would be to look at as much of Brent’s materials on the site as possible–I look at his analysis of other pitchers all the time, and try to pre-guess what he would say about them.

Also, I study videos of pitchers pretty fanatically, and compare them to where my son is at various points in their motion, with the understanding that a 12-13 year old won’t be able to do the same things as a mlb player.  Jack pretty fully understands what he’s trying to do, because I’ve had him watch Brent’s videos, along with Brent’s feedback on his mechanics, which helps.  [Brent is also great about taking time to look at things.] 

I’m happy to answer any other questions you have!  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks Brent!  I’ll check our schedule to see when we can make it there.   We’d love to get to work with you in that setting.

I hope you didn’t mind the (unsolicited) endorsement above!     We really appreciate all of your information and help.

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