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Brent Pourciau USAW Certified
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March 23, 2013 – 4:08 pm
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Rob, thank you very much for the support! I have to credit you for most of the work with Jack because it is obvious you guys work hard. I am glad I can help. Let me know when you want to come down for a camp and I will send you a coupon code to credit you the purchase of the program that you have already made.

I would like to add your testimonial to the site if you don’t mind. Thanks again!

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WOW!  That’s super frustrating!

 

Just typed a long post out to ask you questions mcloven and nothing appeared after the quote of yours.  Never had an issue before in Brent’s forum.

Anyway, thank you for being so kind.  I am going to try to remember what my questions were.

1.  How tall was Jack when he started 3x and what was his velocity then?

2.  We only have the Beginners Guide to 3x and associated videos for now (due to funding, between jobs way longer than anticipated), anyway, we plan on going full tilt into 3x over the next 2 months, do you think that the initial info is enough to work with for that long?  Would love to attend the camp and get the full package but just can’t do it right now.

3.  How quickly did Jack pick things up initially?

4.  How much disruption of control should we expect during the REC ball season?

5.  What are your 3 keys to the early stages of the conversion?

6.  What if anything would you do differently having gotten as far as you have?

7.  How many hours into the early stages before you could see significant progress?

8.  How did you prepare Jack mentally for the conversion, knowing how it may hurt results initially and also would require a lot of hard work?

 

My other post was way better to read and appreciative.  Don’t know why it all disappeared.  Anyway, thank you so much.  Wanted to get back to you ASAP to keep my guys motivated because that’s exactly what they are after seeing Jack’s super progress.  Thanks again.  Wayne

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Wayne, I apologize for the forum glitch. Not sure what happened. I would advise anyone else to copy your posts to your clipboard before posting in case a glitch like that happens. This way you can paste the post into a new post if the old one is not submitted. I will defer to @mcloven for the questions in your post above.

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Thanks Brent.  It was weird.  Seemed like it worked fine and then poof!

It left open space below the quote too as if stuff was there but invisible.  Feel free to look at the html if you can.

I usually do as you suggest above but my plate is full today and I skipped that step at my own peril!

 

 

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1.  How tall was Jack when he started 3x and what was his velocity then?

 I think Jack was 4’10” and his velocity was upper 50s, I think.   He was 11 when he started.

 

2.  We only have the Beginners Guide to 3x and associated videos for now (due to funding, between jobs way longer than anticipated), anyway, we plan on going full tilt into 3x over the next 2 months, do you think that the initial info is enough to work with for that long?  Would love to attend the camp and get the full package but just can’t do it right now.

Brent can probably give you more info, but we had the Ace Pitcher handbook and the full 3x stuff.  We didn’t start with the beginner’s guide, only because I think we started before it was available.

 

3.  How quickly did Jack pick things up initially?

He picked up the general concepts quickly.  I think they’re straight forward once you realize what you’re trying to accomplish.  But in fairness he worked very very hard for a few months trying to get synchronization down and strengthening his body to help with explosiveness.   He’s obviously still working on some of the technique (work in progress).

 

4.  How much disruption of control should we expect during the REC ball season?

We worked on it in between seasons.   But I don’t think it would be too tough to start incorporating some of the drills in your practice sessions.   It may be funky at first, but it shouldn’t mess him up too bad, IMHO.

 

5.  What are your 3 keys to the early stages of the conversion?

Getting buy in from your son and getting him to understand what he’s trying to accomplish, hard work on the drills regularly (don’t skip sessions) and regularly videoing your son, and you and he reviewing videos on this site.

 

6.  What if anything would you do differently having gotten as far as you have?

I would have started earlier and not wasted lots of $ on lessons.   The reason being that, in my mind, the longer you burn in bad mechanics, the harder it is to “fix” them.  Both with hitting and pitching.  Plus, I think 3x greatly reduces the strain my son was putting on his arm (he had little league shoulder when he was 10).

 

7.  How many hours into the early stages before you could see significant progress?

Probably 2-3 months?  I think within 2 months I noticed a pretty big change in how he was trying to throw.

 

8.  How did you prepare Jack mentally for the conversion, knowing how it may hurt results initially and also would require a lot of hard work?

I really just told him in the long run it would be better for him.  I showed him “big league” pitchers, who weren’t huge, but threw hard.  He wanted to be like them.   I don’t remember it really adversely affecting his performance, but there were times where he’d lapse into old habits.  As you burn 3x into muscle memory, those old habits fade away.

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Thanks so much mcloven.  Taking the time to respond the way you did is very much appreciated.

We started getting into the 3X Beg Guide in earnest yesterday.  Hopefully we’re on our way!

 

Thanks again.

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Recent series of pics of Jack pitching.  I’ve seen some new progress in his ability to triple-extend properly/additonal separation thanks to some in person work with Brent.   [We need to get to a camp.]

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg10/seniorocity/jackseries1_zps7f952fd4.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

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Wow, looks good! However in the second picture you posted it looks like he might have his glove side pulling causing him to hit early external rotation. That will cause some problems the harder he throws, he may not feel it now but it will cause elbow problems later. To fix it I suggest to buy a connection ball, its the best way to fix inefficiencies with the arm and glove side. http://oatesspecialties.com/co…..p-230.html It costs under $10 and is worth at least $100 IMO. He looks very good mechanically and keeping him healthy is the #1 thing 

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