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Once again a very interesting article with great science behind it. What was also fascinating was that at the end of the article, was an older one from

August 2011. There was a video of a pitcher with a very odd delivery. It reminded me of the infamous “Dr. Mike Marshall” thread. These two brothers (the

Outmans) were trained by their father with this very odd delivery. They both threw over 95mph had excellent control  and were drafted and i think made it to the A’s and Blue Jays.

Both organizations made them change to a conventional delivery. Afterwards one had a serious UCL injury and SLAP tear and the other had ongoing contriol problems.

But their mechanics seem to be a merge of traditional (lower half) and Marshall (upper half) which is fascinating. Of course, their respective pitching coaches 

had them scrap the entire delivery.

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(Scott, did you forget to post the article?  I don’t see it.)  Here’s one I found.

http://www.baseballprospectus……cleid=7537

Josh Outman was one of five Central Missouri State University pitchers drafted in the first ten rounds of the 2005 MLB draft.  My son played at CMSU for two years.  The day he made his recruiting visit in 2005 was a scout day for their team and there were a lot of scouts there to see all those pitchers.  Josh was one of them.  (I think he was the fourth of the five pitchers drafted.  It was a really good team.)  They let Josh pitch using both his conventional delivery (first) then his unorthodox delivery that day.  It was by far the most unusual delivery I’ve ever seen.  He tries to describe it in the interview.  His father, Fritz was some kind of an engineer and he devised the delivery both his sons used.  He called it the Outman Methodology.  I don’t know much about his younger son.  Josh had to scrap his dad’s delivery to pitch in pro ball.  He hasn’t had a very successful MLB career – but, he has spent four years in the major leagues.  He pitched for the Rockies last year.  (I saw him pitch again for the Tulsa Drillers last year and was disappointed that he had scrapped his entertaining delivery.)  I’ve heard that his dad is very bitter and combative about his Methodology and how the pro’s treated his sons.  You can see some of that on his website here:

http://www.outmanmethodology.com/

Much like Dr. Marshall, I don’t know if Fritz Outman is a genious or a madman.  And we’ll never find out. 
 

“Finalized Outman Methodology™ for pitching a baseball on the vertical plane is repeatedly demonstrably and scientifically validly and irrefutably the least complex, the most efficient, the most effective, the highest performing and the least injurious mechanical employ of the human physiology for overhand pitching and throwing of a baseball that ever has been (or ever will be) engineered in the entire history of the sport of baseball anywhere on the entire face of planet Earth.” Fritz Outman

  

 

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Hi Coach Robo,

 

Hi. The article I was referring to was the most recent one that Brent wrote and an older one from 2011 on the same page. He just put the links

in his post above. I never read the earlier article about Outman and I thought it was very interesting. His upper half reminded me of Mike Marshall’s approach and

the lower half was a traditional approach. It seemed to be an attempt to address the velocity problems associated with the Marshall approach since both kids could hit 95 plus.

Did Marshall mechanics predate the Outman Methodology? As an engineer it looks like he tried to combine the arm health benefits of marshall with the power production

of a traditional approach.

 

It seems interesting that you had 2 kids who could throw 95 plus with good control, but their approach was too outside the box for pro ball. Now they have to

spend their lives wondering what would have happened if they stuck to their approach.

 

I doesn’t appear that either Dr. Mike or Mr. Outman are lacking in the ego department……………………Laugh

 

   

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I wouldn’t compare the Outman approach to Marshall because Marshall changed the pitching delivery to prevent any external rotation. The Outman method is the same as the traditional delivery but instead you start with the arms above the shoulders but you still externally rotate.

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Coach,

That is some trippy stuff. Here’s the video link of the Dad throwing using his mechanics:

http://www.outmanmethodology.c…..ideos.html

I don’t know what to say as its above my pay grade……………………..I tend to think that his kids were hard throwers and this approach won’t work for

everyone. But I’d love to see one of the kids take to the mound in an MLB game (preferably televised) and revert to this approach without telling anyone

beforehand. The manager would probably wet his pants before killing the pitching coach.

 

 

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I wouldn’t compare the Outman approach to Marshall because Marshall changed the pitching delivery to prevent any external rotation. The Outman method is the same as the traditional delivery but instead you start with the arms above the shoulders but you still externally rotate.

 

 

 

I see your point. The version the father is doing doesn’t seem to be as odd as the son’s delivery. No stranger than Chad Bradford.

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Dr. Marshall started his pitching research when he was getting his PhD at Michigan State in the 1960’s.  So, I assume his theories pre-date the Outman Methodology.  I’ve never studied the Outman delivery.  I just happened to be in Warrensburg, Missouri on the day his son was pitching for the scouts.  (It was Josh, his older son – not Zach, the one in the video in Brent’s article.  But, they threw the same way.)  I remember being amazed that he could throw as well as he did with that delivery.  I don’t remember much difference between his pitches from a conventional delivery and his delivery from Mars.  I do remember that he had to ask if he could throw from the unorthodox delivery and they let him do it rather grudgingly.  I’m sure Fritz was in the stands with me, but I didn’t know him.  Interesting that I would come back to that delivery almost 8 years later on this site.

I’m sorry I didn’t realize you were talking about one of Brent’s articles.  I’ve read them both since Brent posted them above.  They’re great articles with a lot of information in them.  I’m going to have to digest the connections between the Outman Methodology and 3X.   

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