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Bending your back…
Why is this a bad idea to teach kids?
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I have an asst coach who constantly tells the kids to bend their back….how can I prove that this method isn’t a good thing to reinforce?

Tim Lincecum certainly bends his back but is that the correct pitching point to reinforce?

I have never taught bend your back or pick up a coin from the ground at the completion of your pitching – but hey I am willing to try if it was helpful – I just don’t think it is a good pitching point to reinforce…..

 

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The problem with this conventional wisdom, that my little league coaches use to yell at me, is what does this mean? What are they talking about and how is it going to help me? This was my questions back then and I still feel today these coaches never explained themselves.

The problem is not that these coaches are identifying that the pitcher is not doing something that they feel better pitchers do but that their criticism is so void of knowledge that they really can not help you. This is very common still in today’s game. This is why all young pitchers need to not wait or look around for the great coach who is going to take them under the arm and walk them through the levels of this game because this is a fairy tale. If a young pitcher is going to have a ton of success in this game he is going to have to learn it at a level a lot higher than the coaches he is playing for.

If I was you I would stop worrying about what these coaches are saying and start learning how you can get to the next level.

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I undersatnd that – however how do you combat that philosophy?

 

Thanks however for responding.

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John – The way you said a couple of things in your post made me wonder if you’re a coach or a player…

Proud father of a U.S. Marine (HOME from Afghanistan)

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If you are a coach then work to educate the other coach with science like what we have here with 3X Pitching. If you are a player then do not waste your time trying to educate your coach because it will be like trying to feed a Tiger vegetables. It isn’t going to happen. Just focus on your own education to better your game.

 

Coach Robo here is a veteran coach who could give you some great insight on this issue. Coach, I hope veteran doesn’t upset you!

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Oh sorry. I am a head coach. And thanks to your child for their service.

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Head coach, that is a different story! Coach Robo you are good at identifying coaches, I have to give it to you.

John, the problem with the conventional wisdom of bend the back or picking up the dollar is that this is something a high velocity pitcher does after he has released the ball. This came about more as a mental adjustment than a mechanically adjustment. It is the follow up on the mentality of throwing through the target but this is where this mentality should have stopped. Coaching pitchers to bend the back or pick up the dollar makes no sense in my book because you are coaching a point in the delivery where the pitcher doesn’t even have the ball anymore.

3X Pitching proves that pretty much everything after hip to shoulder separation at front foot strike is a reaction to everything before front foot strike. This means if you really want to make a significant adjustment at the end of your delivery then it must come from making an adjustment in the beginning.

Thanks for joining the forums and I look forward to your insights as well!

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Glad you’re here, John.  You’re in the best place I know of to learn about pitching.  What level are you coaching?

Coaches told me to bend my back over 40 years ago.  I didn’t know what it meant then and I don’t know what it means now.  Whatever level you’re coaching at, my personal opinion is that the place to start learning this program now is with the 3X Mechanics Guide.  It is a very detailed and documented explanation of what 3X mechanics are.  I don’t know of a better introductory source on how high velocity pitchers actually throw.  Whether you’re coaching beginning pitchers or older pitchers, the guide will give you a solid grounding in what you should be teaching and what you shouldn’t be teaching.  Once you know what your pitchers should be doing, you can decide how you want to proceed in helping them train to perform the mechanics.  Brent is great at answering questions and giving solid advice.  And guys like me chime in with something useful occasionally. 

Thanks for mentioning my son.  I’m very proud of him and all of the young people serving in our armed forces.   

Proud father of a U.S. Marine (HOME from Afghanistan)

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