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LHPSTEVEN24
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I would like to know what you guys think about his whole theory of pitching. It’s so mind boggling to me honestly I feel like it’s not rational especially someone who wants to take baseball serious.

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This is a question for Coach Robo but Dr Marshall did apply the math using Newton’s Second Law of Motion to determine an eye opening event of pitching velocity which I talk about in this article below and many times in my analysis.

https://www.topvelocity.net/oly…..-velocity/

He used the equation acceleration = force / mass to find that if a pitcher can keep the same force applied to the baseball to throw 80mph and hold onto the ball for an additional 10% of the delivery, without losing force, he has just thrown the ball 90mph. That is good stuff! This is more proof why hip to shoulder separation is effective in increasing pitching velocity and also more external rotation because you are doing both with these movements. You are both increasing application time and increasing force production.

As for the rest of his approach he did educate us on the importance of pronation to arm health but his new way of pitching was him throwing the baby out with the bath water. He developed a delivery that would prevent a pitcher from externally rotating his arm because his studies should this is what ruins most arms. He then used a set of pitching mechanics similar to cricket bowling. The problem is when you can only build momentum in one stride length as opposed to a running start like a cricket bowler you have to use force multipliers to increase your body speeds to high levels. Removing a force multiplier like external rotation to prevent arm injury is throwing the baby out with the bath water because you reduce the stress put on the arm and you also reduce pitching velocity.

If Coach Robo responds he will give you a perfect analysis of Dr. Marshall.

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I wrote to Dr. Marshall and this is what he replied “What I have designed is not only rational, it is the only way for baseball pitchers to achieve their maximum release velocity without injuries.” I dont see how its possible to maximize your velocity throwing like this lol 

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I think his stuff is very intriguing. He backs up alot of what he says with science and kinesiology. A brilliant guy. But, his approach is so outside the norm that it will be very difficult to have elite prospects adopt his approach. Also, I have no idea how much velocity you could generate with his approach???

 

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     “Whereas ‘traditional’ baseball pitchers use their Pectoralis Major muscle to curvilinearly pull their pitching arm toward home plate, my baseball pitchers use their Latissimus Dorsi muscle to rectilinearly drive their pitching upper arm toward home plate.
     Using the Latissimus Dorsi muscle eliminates pitching injuries to the front and back of the pitching shoulder and generates
more straight line force toward home plate.
     The visual cue that proves that baseball pitchers engage their Latissimus Dorsi muscle is that they have the BACK of their pitching upper arm facing toward home plate.”   Dr. Mike Marshall

 

     I don’t think anyone in baseball can give a perfect analysis of Dr. Marshall, except for Dr. Marshall himself.  Fortunately, if you’re interested, he makes his pitching philosophy and methods available at no charge in massive detail at http://www.drmikemikemarshall.com.  It makes for very interesting study, to say the least.  The video Scott posted is from Dr. Marshall’s website.  Read his “Coaching Baseball Pitchers” book, which is posted on the site – if you can.

     Some progressive minded coaches like Ron Wolforth and Brent Strom have tried to bring Dr. Marshall and some of his ideas into the mainstream pitching world.  Marshall was at their Ultimate Pitching Coaches Boot Camp a couple of years ago.  It was a pretty bizarre presentation – going completely over the heads of all the high school and college coaches and players in the audience.  I have the DVD’s of the camp and pretty much didn’t understand a word he said.  Wolforth has incorporated a few of his ideas into his programs.  He especially embraced some of his ideas on pronation – which Wolforth has made a centerpiece of his program in the last couple of years.  Of course, Dr. Marshall would reject everything they teach – and everything anyone else teaches. 

     It’s entirely possible that Dr. Marshall’s pitching delivery is the Fosbury Flop of pitching.  It may look bizarre to us now, but maybe someday every pitcher will adopt it.  But, I doubt it.  Scott is right when he says above that no elite prospect is likely to adopt his approach.  It’s just too radical an approach to be learned once a pitcher has established himself as a prospect.  A pitcher would pretty much have to learn it early as a youth pitcher.  So, the only pitchers that have adopted it so far are pitchers who weren’t succeeding using a traditional approach.  Baseball is so slow to embrace anything out of the ordinary, I doubt if we ever find out if the Marshall approach would work at a high level of competition. 

     I doubt that any of the young pitchers on this site (or any of the rest of us, either) would understand or be able to make any practical use of Dr. Marshalls theories.  But, go to the website and decide if it’s brilliant or just bizarre.  I don’t pretend to know.   

          

       

    

    

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Coach Robo said
 

     It’s entirely possible that Dr. Marshall’s pitching delivery is the Fosbury Flop of pitching.  It may look bizarre to us now, but maybe someday every pitcher will adopt it.  But, I doubt it.  Scott is right when he says above that no elite prospect is likely to adopt his approach.  It’s just too radical an approach to be learned once a pitcher has established himself as a prospect.  A pitcher would pretty much have to learn it early as a youth pitcher.  So, the only pitchers that have adopted it so far are pitchers who weren’t succeeding using a traditional approach.  Baseball is so slow to embrace anything out of the ordinary, I doubt if we ever find out if the Marshall approach would work at a high level of competition. 

     I doubt that any of the young pitchers on this site (or any of the rest of us, either) would understand or be able to make any practical use of Dr. Marshalls theories.  But, go to the website and decide if it’s brilliant or just bizarre.  I don’t pretend to know.     

The Fosbury Flop analogy is a great one. I think Marshall is a brilliant guy in many ways but there a couple of problems. First he may be the smartest guy in the room, but he also lets you know that fact. And second, he doesnt exactly endear himself to people who could embrace and help promote his ideas. Perhaps he could talk to Alan Jaegar about breaking through the conventional wisdom. Or read up on Steve Jobs. Until he can demonstrate practical success with his theories he will wind up like Tesla (not the rock band). I’d also like to know if he could prove what type of velocity could be generated by his approach.

    

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October 9, 2012 – 7:50 am
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Coach,

 

Whats also interesting is that Marshall had a 14 years MLB carrer, was a 2 time allstar, and won a Cy Young award. He didn’t use Marshall Mechanics. Instead here is a clip of his 1967 mechanics which seem very impressive. He disavows these mechanics now, but it looks damn good to me.

 

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..ature=plcp

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He did have great mechanics. This video is proof of how violent high velocity pitching mechanics are but more important how detrimental the lack of strength and conditioning and proper motor coordination is to a high velocity pitching career. All of the possible injuries he labeled in this video can be prevented through developing superior joint integrity with strength and conditioning and understanding how the athlete must move through these mechanics. These pitchers did not have this information back in his era which would have prevented Dr. Marshall’s injuries. This information is why legendary pitchers like Nolan Ryan who is still one of the hardest throwers ever and who pitched well into his 40’s never had a serious injury. Unfortunately for Dr. Marshall he threw the baby out with the bath water. He replaced the mechanics that gave him his elite velocity for mechanics that prevented all of his injuries. I just don’t understand how he can say his new mechanics approach is velocity focused because it sounds like that was never his intentions when developing them. 

I totally respect his hard work and studies on pitching mechanics but he lost me at “Maxline.”

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