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September 27, 2011 – 10:04 pm
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i've sent you a bunch of videos in the last two years and that crappy mound always throws you off.  lol.  i know i need to get it looking better.

any thoughts on the pause to “tall and fall”?  Nic pitched tonight and said that he felt more accurate that way, so that must count for something.  lol.

 most of his pitching issues are in his head.  if the coach moves off his seat, Nic automatically thinks he's gonna be pulled from the game, and then it's all downhill.  it's like a self fulfilling prophecy.

if the new mechanics are good/acceptable i will have Nic keep focusing on what is giving him max velocity.

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The “Tall and Fall” delivery is not as explosive, so you are losing velocity for accuracy, not the road I recommend pitchers go down. Velocity is king today, so you need to learn how to not just pitch to hitters but how to dominate hitters. Nic is struggling with this dominance because of his age and temperament. If you feel that he is not going to genetically excel velocity wise as he grows then he needs to learn a more aggressive mental approach along with a more explosive mechanical approach (3x) to pitching.

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i used the words “tall and fall” to describe what he looks like in the third video i posted,  but that description may not be accurate.  to me, it looks like he is doing the same thing as usual, but he doesn't bend his back knee out to second base.  not bending his knee slows him down initially (for a split second), but may be helping him get his force vector aligned easier because he is already leading with his hip and has some force vector angle (a little) when he starts to bend the knee to triple extend.  

as  prior Dick Mills disciples (hey, we all started somewhere stumbling around in the darkness) we learned to go through the wind up quickly to build momentum and explode through delivery.  i don't have to tell you the flaws in that method, but once you go down the darkside it's hard to break those habits.  Nic was initially taught to almost “run” through his windup.  this caused many errors like the balks you witnessed.  i feel like running through the windup ala Dick Mills doesn't provide a stable/repeatable base to pitch from.  on the other end of the spectrum, i don't want to see Nic sitting at a balanced point for 3 seconds either.

by “tall and fall” i mean to stand with your rear leg fairly tall and straight as you lift your leading knee up, while simultaneously falling hip first towards the target.  as soon as you feel momentum carrying you forward, bend the back knee and triple extend.  this works best for me because of my age and lack of leg strength.  i think it's easier to push off from a moving position than from a dead stand still.  i arrived at this method as a way for Nicolas to stop bending his back knee towards second base, which delays his force vector (kinda like Verlander does).  on a previous mechanical analysis you had Nic working on that knee issue.  we only came up with two things that worked, tell me which is better:

1) the tall and fall method i described above (which may not be an accurate description because there is little pause at the top).

2) only put his heel against the rubber; turn his toe more towards the target to lock his knee straight.  because of his extreme flexibility,  Nic can still manage to turn his knee back while getting that extra Chapman torque.

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hey, i think what the 3X is, is the drop-fall-drive thing. you start on the load position and then falling while driving towards the target. what you are saying is a fall-drop-drive. which is when you fall, and then trying to load then drive off. i think that is a harder thing to do and reduces velocity because you're using energy to put you into the load while falling, which also take a few split seconds off the delivery. You can try facing his foot to home plate but i think it will lock abit of momentum as Garrett mentioned in the hitting section. Guys who have their foot turned in find it harder to hit than those that square up. it's also like jumping with the foot turned in(like what Brent said about leading with the heelfor effective foot contact, jumping with the foot facing the opposite way ;D).

       

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i hear you, but Nic's velocity is currently higher with this “fall-drop-drive” method.  i will video record him doing this and post it here for further review.  like i said, i may be describing it wrong because the numbers say it's working.

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I have heard of this method before. Isn't called something like 3X Pitching. Ross, you need to watch the 3X mechanics video. I thought you had this stuff down. Maybe I am just not describing it well. 3X Pitching starts with a fall into the “Load” position as you line up your force vector so you can launch into triple extension before front foot strike then you convert this power into hip to shoulder separation.

This is the major problem with pitching mechanics guys. We get too caught up in styles and theory. It doesn't work this way. Pitching is an athletic event. It is a ballistic movement. Better athletes, make better pitchers. The pitching mechanics of the athlete should represent his physical ability, not the other way around. We need to spend our time focusing on the athlete more than his style of pitching. Ross, I would bet Nic's intensity issues are because you both are focusing on his style and not on his athletic ability.

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DX.. Got a little mixed up there… But don’t you load before you start the delivery? Or do you load when going through your delivery?? I agree too, not to focus on the style, but the athletic ability.

       

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Hi singtall.

 

Did nic go thru the 3x course? If so, it seems he might be fighting some of the concepts and reverting to old habits. You had mentioned that he followed some of mills concepts. I think if he focuses less on style (lincecum, chapman, mix) and more on  substance (explosive ballistic movements) he will be fine as he has lots of potential. As an example, it would be difficult for a potential world class sprinter to excel if he keeps thinking about whether to run like Hussein Bolt, Carl Lewis, jesse owens (style) instead of focusing on his own explosive movements out of the blocks (substance). Maybe you could move this topic to the coaches forum where you could chart nic's progress with notes and videos and give updates. Good stuff…. 

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