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my son came home today after working out with Brent at the Guerrilla baseball academy (if you can workout there, do it).  anyways, he was a little sad.  i asked him what was wrong.  he said his legs were sore from working out.  “good” i said.  what else?  he said that Brent told him he was throwing all arm while using the medicine ball.  “fantastic” i said.  he looked at me puzzled.  i explained that he already has fantastic mechanics and throws way beyond other kids his age, and if Brent found another area that can be developed more,  he will see more velocity soon.  

 

this brings up the question “how do you know when you are triple extending?”

we thought that a good drag line was a sign of triple extension.  we also thought that having your force vector in line was another.  but the reality is that you can drag your foot causing a line in the dirt, or get into a good force vector and not have enough strength to really triple extend all the way.

so how do you know when you are triple extending without having Brent analyze your video?

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Ross, please tell Nic that he used the 2lb med ball today for the med throws and this is what I use with my high school and college pitchers. He worked with Andrew today, who as you know is a big strong kid, so Nic had some tough competition. All Nic learned today is that he does have good mechanics but when we forced him to produce more power by using more weight, he struggled. This doesn't prove that he can't through hard for his age because he was using weight that high school and college pitchers use. This proved that he is still developing as a power pitcher.

What he was struggling with was achieving 3X before front foot strike. Before 3x should have occurred he would throw his head forward and throw the ball early before achieving optimal hip to shoulder separation. In your last post under the topic Throwing across your body, you talked about coaching to lead with the elbow. Have you being doing this with him recently?

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actually no,  Nic wasn't a kid with that issue….he was the kid that threw from one foot at foot plant.  i try not to give Nic any pitching advice unless he is frustrated and asks me for help, then i might suggest a little something to help him out.  i haven't talked with him about leading with his elbow.  the last time we worked on something it was about opening his hips more and not throwing across his body i think.  or maybe the knee thing.  

he is ok,  he just wants to be the best.  he needs the challenge.  i don't think he was heartbroken, just upset with himself for not having the strength to perform yet.  he knows he can pitch against the boys his age without much problem, but he has his eyes set on the majors.  he wants to get his mechanics down asap so he can just work on getting stronger.

anyways, do you think he had some issues with his arm today? or just leg strength?

the last arm tweak he got was from you a couple of months ago.  he was getting his hand close to his head and you moved it away from his head and straight up.  pretty much at a 90 degree angle to his bicep i think.

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to be clearer on the elbow leading the hand thing;  i teach this as an afterthought to landing with separation.  it is more of a focus on relaxing the hand instead of pulling down.  leading with the elbow feels different from what it sounds like i guess you could say.

it's like when Tincup couldn't stop hitting shanks and his caddie made him take all of the change out of his pocket and move it to his left pocket.  it is a thought to get your mind focused on something else that may relax you and get you into a correct or better position when you are struggling.

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The only issues I saw today was his arms were moving faster than his feet.This is probably why he was struggling with 3X during the med throws.

Yes, I did tell him to not put the ball to his ear when in separation. It should be 90 degrees below the shoulder or shoulder level. I am teaching more below the shoulder because it is better for the cuff and it helps with hip to shoulder separation.

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to make sure i'm understanding you correctly;  are you saying that at foot plant you should be hand 90 degress down instead of 90 degrees up in high cocked position?  i am seeing a few other coaches going in that direction.  i noticed that there seems to be more whip to the arm when delaying the high cocked position a little.  for reference, i'm talking about the way Lincecum pops his hand up from 90 degrees down to up.

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I am talking about when you are in the cocked position your throwing arm should be 90 degrees with your elbow just below shoulders. Here is a pic of Chapman in this position.

Once your shoulders commit then you want your elbow to move over shoulder height to reduce the torque on the elbow during the throw.

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