Justin Verlander Pitching Mechanics | Page 4 | Talk Pitching | TopVelocity Baseball Forum
June 6, 2011
With all due respect, several of us have asked legitimate questions to you in a professional and respectful manner. Your responses consist of several lame non-responses:
1- When you are asked a question, you don't answer the question- but instead pose questions to the questioner.
2- When you are asked a question, you don't answer the question- but provide a Google search result.
3- When you are asked a question, you don't answer the question- but mangle a mathematical formula that you really don't understand.
4- When you are asked to provide the results of a study that would substantiate the claims that “I now know how to transparently present the sophisticated science of pitching in terms of simple, easy-to-understand Arm/Leg adjustments”- you CAN NOT and instead quote da Vinci.
A short while ago I posted my NPA link, and I noted that you were logged onto this site and were browsing this thread.
I was hoping that you would take the opportunity to stop acting like a pompous a$$ and actually answer some of the questions posed to you. Like Coach Robo, I went thru your site and learned zero. You remind me of that old Saturday Night Live skit about George Bush (Will Ferrell). When he invented multi syllabic words that didn't actually mean anything but sounded good. Defenserology……………
July 6, 2011
Very simply, he had my son change his leg lift as well as his glove arm movement. But that's for my son – from what I understand, his is not a cookie-cutter approach; he fixes each pitcher individually and no two are alike.
Like I said, Skip may have a different vocabulary but his instruction is easy. Through a web-cam, he demonstrates what he wants my son to do and then my son does it into the camera while Skip observes. That's it!
I'm certainly not saying that I think Skip has all the answers and I do believe that Brent and others also offer valuable information – that's why I'm glad we have these forums to share and learn from others…
June 6, 2011
Thanks for your input. And since skip is no longer answering questions and is instead Googling da Vinic, perhaps you can answer a few questions before he starts quoting Machavelli.
Why did your son need to change his leg lift and glove arm movement?
What mechanical flaw did he have?
What was the change that was made?
July 1, 2011
I am glad he has helped you son. I bet Verlander never thought his pitching mechanics would come to this. But I love the healthy conversation, that is where we all learn. I am just glad there is enough knowledge in this forum to keep the debate real and on point.
Thanks for your input.
July 14, 2011
Hey, Brent – is this lively enough for you? (Scott, you crack me up.)
Again, I'm glad Skip is helping your son. That's the only reason any of us do this – we love the game and we love helping young pitchers succeed. He brought this on himself, though. His posts were arrogant and condescending from the beginning. He came on here challenging Brent's ideas (nothing wrong with that – Brent answered all his questions) and spouting pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo that didn't mean anything. Then, when some of us challenged some of his assertions (the way he did Brent's) he pompously tells us how sophisticated he is and runs off and hides. And I want to be clear about his “vocabulary” – I'm not saying I don't understand his terminology. I'm saying he's not saying anything. I spent an hour on his site. There's nothing there. Just a lot of things he gives fancy names to that may be just another name for the same thing we all teach – or it may be something revolutionary. He doesn't explain any of it. I get on these sites to learn. I didn't learn a single thing from his site – because there's nothing there.
There's nothing wrong with a guy with a day job taking a passionate interest in the study of pitching and trying to help young pitchers. That's what I do. But, calling it the “Professional” pitching institute and taking credit for turning Cole Hamel's season around is just setting himself up for ridicule. Taking a series of pictures and calling it a Pitching Chain is not revolutionary. Going backwards through the motion to find flaws that cause disruptions in the delivery is something I've been doing in my back yard for twenty years. And saying that he doesn't take a “cookie cutter” approach, and fixes each pitcher individually, and no-two-pitchers-are-alike are straw man arguments. All reasonably competent coaches approach instruction that way.
I'm not sure why he came on the site. Most of us come here to try to learn something. I think he came here to enlighten us with his brilliance. I'm still waiting.
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April 27, 2008
Wow, it is like the British Parliament in here! I love a good debate and this is definitely a good and entertaining debate. I know no one likes to be teamed up on but just like in sports, if you can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen. No one is forced to participate here. I hate being censored, so I will not censor anyone unless profanity or threats are made but we are all adults, so I do not expect this thread to become a problem on the forums. I have actually read through it a few times and this thread has a lot of great information in it. The reason I launched these forums was because I wanted others to contribute to this site instead of only me. Thanks for everyone's contribution so far!
August 28, 2011
Haha, yea i love debates too, supporting topvelocity on this one. Skip, i agree with what the others, i went onto your website and didn't really gain anything. it's to complex on the website. It's true that Doc's son may have been working with you and gaining success, but that's if they work with you. I know that I live far from America and get limited amount of good coaching, which means looking on the internet :D. Which means I won't really get anything that will help me, from your website alone. Also, your website is only all about mechanics, Brent has a routine on how to build power and so on. Yes you are unique in the way you pitch, but there are some things that you can actually copy, all of the power building mechanics can be copied, you think they can't be is because they don't have the athleticism as what they look up to. The things that you can't are very minor. I think. Correct me on this one.
June 6, 2011
I gotta agree with you. Beyond the arrogance, not answering questions, and mumbo jumbo is just the head scratching statements. Heres an oldie but a goodie:
In my opinion, the Verlanders, Lincecums, Halladays and Strasburgs of the world are as great as they are because their minimal separation maximizes both their command and their velocity.
“minimal separation” Huh????????
I don't think I would put Lincecum and “minimal separation” in the same sentence.
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