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when making the linear move towards the plate…do you encourage a pitcher to “push” off the rubber to get the feel of making an explosive move toward the batter..what cues would you give a kid to get that first move explosive..sometimes push may cause rushing of the throwing arm???

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I talk about this in the article The Sweet Spot to More Pitching Velocity. Remember that you do not want to work on this part of the delivery until you first develop the motor coordination around triple extension and hip to shoulder separation.

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Brent,

I understand the sweet spot, but what I am seeing in most college pitchers is a disconnect in

the initial movement after load is achieved.  During the initial drive as the foot flexes (extends) it straighten outs the

knee and the rear drive leg extends sideways vs pulling the knee forward and in (which puts the foot into the proper

position to take advantage of the triple extension philosophy).  I have not read (or I missed) what you advocate

to do to pivot the drive foot once load is achieved to rotate initially to be in position for 3x….

 

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Rick

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Technically, if you don't see alot of players achieve 3X it's alright. That's why the program is so dominant, because nobody knows the right mechanics to throwing at top velocity. The disconnect you so call, is I believe the fact that they don't 3X after it. The factor is that either, they simply don't have the strength to perform 3X when they reach a load position, or they don't know that they need to 3X at the load. I have seen many players hit a good load position, but never 3X because they don't know the effect of 3X. These people are usually ones with conventional wisdom being taught to them or the fact that they think their arm is the focus of the delivery. The next point you made, which is that their drive leg extends sideways and not opening and extending is because some players think jumping towards the plate is going to make them throw harder, when in fact it's the opening of the hips. I mean it's going to help abit, but not as effective as separation. I have seen a player doing lateral jumps with a long stride (meaning that they're thinking about the pitching delivery) and does that open the hips? No. They're just jumping from side to side and the momentum generated is not being transferred into the throw. As for wogdoggy's question, yes do read the article, and if you meant which is the right timing for going into 3X is when your force vector is align. Make sure the front foot is still closed at this point. When you 3X is when you start opening the foot. Tell the player to separate so that they are thinking of 3X and going to try and separate, which makes them I guess maybe throw harder? I haven't tested this theory, but simply thinking about 3X is the greatest cue for 3X.

       

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Rick I talk about this in the Foot Sync article. You are correct to say that most pitchers struggle with the drive component. This is why I developed 3X pitching. What causes the drive leg to rotate within the mechanics of pitchers like Chapman and Chapman is the opening of the front foot as the drive leg foot extends. The front foot triggers the hip rotation as the drive foot finishes it. These pitchers are not internally rotating the drive leg. They are achieving 3X before front foot strike.

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Brent

 

Thanks – good article and that helps explain it…I have a question regarding the difference I see with Trevor and CC Sabathia.  With CC – you can see the explosive 3x and I see the front foot initiate the move and the rear explode….exactly the way you explain.  Trevor has amazing timing – but in super slo mo – it looks like Trevor is simply rolling his drive foot which in turn opens his hip….take a look – interesting – he does not appear to use ankle kick in the way CC does to achieve 3x…..

What do you think 

 

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They both are using the front foot to trigger the hip rotation. I do not believe that you can completely rotate the hips by only internally rotating the drive leg. This is the same argument for hitters with “Squash the Bug.” Hip rotation is the product of a linear drive (3X), triggered by the opening of the front foot and leg at front foot strike and the stabilization of the front leg after front foot strike. 

When I coach this hip rotation I focus on staying closed with the front foot as long as possible while staying dynamic and explosive with the drive leg, working to achieve 3X before front foot strike. It works well!

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Brent,

Colton has been working hard, but he is getting confused on the leg drive.  He is driving very explosive, but in my opinion he is driving and pushing off (plantar flexion) which extends his knee sideways to a point.  He started getting in this habit using the weighted sled…to get the ankle kick.  When we refer to the videos above of CC and Trevor.  I appears that they are driving the rear leg to full extension while the foot is firmly planted.  Colton's weight is on the ball of his foot – heel comes up a little earlier. In other words it seems Colton is firing his ankle as part of the drive process.   Can you confirm exactly the sequence that should occur during the rear drive leg sequence……or better yet I will try and describe it and then you can correct me where I am losing it.  

At weight shift and Hip lead the Drive leg begins to extend and the drive foot is firmly planted (weight spread out – not on balls of feet).  At full drive leg extension – the heel will naturally come up and 3x is completed….

Rick

P.S.  If Coach Robo is on  – do you have a clip of Damien Magnifico you could share?

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