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Should I try to get my son to drag his toe?
Toe Drag – Should it be coached?
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My son is 15 and we have been working on implementing 3X mechanics. He is doing well and throws in the upper 70’s touching 80. He seems to drive off of the mound but immediately bends his back leg and has no toe drag. Should I get him to keep his leg straight and have toe drag until pitch release. Most modern pitchers seem to have toe drag, but some very good pitchers in the past have not had any toe drag. I have posted a video of my son below. I would appreciate your thoughts on if and how I should coach my son to drag his toe and keep his drive leg triple extended for a longer period of time. Thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=CBBfD0ZG2b4

 

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Below is another link for Ubersense if you use that app:

http://ubersense.com/8evvgPJ5

 

 

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Mike,

     I didn’t put your son on any software to look at the whole delivery, but I think you’re mislabeling his having no toe drag.  I actually think he has a very good toe drag – I’d say it’s at least 2 feet long.  The indicator I use is that he appears to still have his back toe on the ground at release.  The fact that it comes off the ground at first, but then stays low to the ground until release is irrelevant – in fact it’s good.  A drag itself serves no purpose – it’s an indicator of how the pitcher is moving forward.  Lots of pitchers have no toe drag – usually because they are generating no momentum forward and have too short a stride, which causes them to put their weight on their front foot too soon and their back foot flies up in the air too soon.  Some pitchers have too much toe drag, which causes it to function as an anchor as they plow it along the mound.  I think you’re right about him driving well.  I wouldn’t put any focus on his foot drag at all. 

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Thanks for the response. I thought since his toe was not actually dragging it was not “toe drag”. I think a more accurate question would be about his drive leg knee. He bends it almost right after he pushes off. It is bent to almost 90 degrees at pitch release. Most pro pitchers seem to have a very straight back leg after driving off of the mound until pitch release. Kershaw and Chapman are two examples of very straight back legs until pitch release. I think by not keeping his back leg straight, he is not getting as much forward truck tilt as he should. Thought?

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I lost a hard drive and can’t access my analysis software now, so I can’t look at his delivery frame-by-frame – which I hate because it’s the only way to really see a pitcher.  But in regular speed it looks like he opens his front foot early, which causes his back knee to turn in and down early before it fully extends.  If you haven’t had a video analysis done yet, I would highly recommend it.  Brent does it better than anyone I’ve ever seen.   

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I put it on my software and went frame by frame and you are turning the knee in early instead of keeping torsion and keeping the front foot closed. Torsion can be super difficult to master but level 3 really helps with this. Also I do not see much of a drive more of the momentum and the lead leg pulling him off the rubber. The valgus load he is putting on the leg by turning it in early does not lead to maximum force production. I think of showing my heel to the plate to stay closed longer this works for me, but not for everyone. I believe holding torsion while lowering the force vector is a very advanced move. The med ball drills can help you work on these aspects as well. 

 

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Coach Robo, always great to see you on the forums! It has been a while. Thanks for keeping in touch!

Torsion is definitely the major problem here. This article should help you understand the key principle of torsion:

https://www.topvelocity.net/3x-…..hing-gold/

 

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