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DanielP7

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Any articles on sidearm mechanics? I’ve always been a true sidewinder but with all coaches telling me to throw overhand, I’ve really just developed into a pitcher who looks like a mess and hurts his elbow and id love to throw sidearm cause i naturally just throw harder and its easier for me to throw harder

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August 14, 2012 – 10:36 pm
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Most pitchers who feel they naturally throw sidearm are lazy pitchers in my book. I was a sidearm pitcher in my career and it was when I was at my laziest and had very little understanding of high velocity mechanics. I would highly recommend that you learn 3X Pitching. I would also highly recommend that you come down to a 3X Velocity Camp to learn it because you will leave with a complete understanding of what it takes for you to throw hard. If you do not take advantage of this opportunity I am afraid there is a good chance the words you posted here could be some of your last in this game. Please don’t take this the wrong way. The problem is pitching at an elite level has very little to do with what makes you feel comfortable and more to do with what makes you feel uncomfortable.

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There’s nothing wrong with being a sidearm pitcher at all, but like Brent said, if you’re lazy, you tend to be sidearmers. If your coach is a credible source of information, learn 3X mechanics to compliment overarm mechanics. You guarantee you, you will feel much more comfortable throwing overarm with 3X applied to your pitching. Of course, I’m a sidearmer (more like submarine) because I like the style and it feel likes I can dominate better. There’s something called visual velocity which is how the batter perceives the pitch speed to be. Obviously with change of pace with your changeup or curveball can be very deceptive. I use visual velocity as well as effective velocity better than how I use raw velocity. Which is why I like the sidearm or submarine pitcher because they are usually very deceptive and know the game very well. If you’re throwing harder with sidearm, it means one or two things. The first thing is that your mechanics are changing and when you throw overarm, your body doesn’t rotate as much because of the higher release, compared to the rotational movement that a sidearm gives you. The second thing is again a mechanical issue where you are not tilting your body to release the ball, instead it’s like when you try and reach the top release point. It’s harder for velocity to transfer to the ball that way.

       

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Z, a submarine arm slot is not the same as a sidearm arm slot. Submarine is more like an over the shoulder pitcher but a sidearm pitcher is not. The difference is sidearm pitchers do not externally rotate well because they are mainly rotational. They tend to drag the arm or cast the arm around the body. It limits the pitchers potential to reach his top velocity and it can be very hard on the elbow joint.

I would be glad to analysis DanielP7 mechanics and see if he is actually throwing with a sidearm slot.

Randy Johnson was considered to be a “sidearm” pitcher but he still released the ball a good distance over the shoulder. This is not the kind of sidearm pitcher I am talking about. I am talking about the young sidearm pitcher who casts and drags his arm to the side, killing external rotation.

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Yeah, i posted my video to analyzed so I’m just waiting the out the 2-3 weeks for that to be finished. My arm slot is about the same as Randy Johnson’s though.

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Brent,

How did Randy Johnson throw so hard in his career? It looks like he has no lower half working. It seems like he just has his height at 6’10” working for him. It looks like he gets off the rubber like other high velocity guys as far as leading with his hips but I don’t see any flexion in his drive leg to even drive.

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His 6’10 frame means he only needs to move about half as fast as the guy at 5’10 to generate the same pitching velocity. When he played for the Giants with Tim Lincecum he was The Freak not Tim.

Even though giants like Randy do not have to have a lot of lower half power to create optimal hip to shoulder separation they still are achieving it.

You can see his front foot is down and his back foot is still coming around and he is in optimal hip to shoulder separation. This is cheating in my book. Wouldn’t it be nice to be able to get this much hip to shoulder separation with a slow drive leg. Only if we could all be around 7 feet tall!

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Yea, I guess you can say that a submarine is like an overarm slot, but then again, an overarm slot is like a sidearm slot. Overarm is positive tilt, sidearm no tilt, and submarine negative tilt. But I definitely do agree with you that it’s harder to achieve external rotation with a sidearm. Yes and Randy is just the beast :D .

       

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