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Ubaldo Jimenez
How does Ubaldo Jimenez throw so hard?
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December 10, 2012 – 7:59 am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..5gSHz9_n0s

Ubaldo Jimenez at one point was one of the highest velocity guys in the league. How does he do it? It almost looks like he gets no flexion in his drive leg and it looks like he just turns his drive leg down instead of triple extending it. Also, stabilization is nothing great that I see either. Yes he stabilizes but he doesn’t get that reactive force pushing his hip back from his front leg like Justin Verlander does. It is almost hard for me to believe this guy threw 98.

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Yes,

 

Big decline in his velocity according to fangraphs. But he is 6’5″ 210 lbs. But I agree with you.

 

Very slow

no 3x

inverted w

short stride

front leg buckles

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/pitch…..8;pitch=FA

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We have talked about this approach in contrast to 3X pitching. Slamming the knee down into the ground, as Trevor would say with a stacked drive leg and hip, can open the hips and enhance hip to shoulder separation but it comes with some negatives. Studies show that drive leg abduction is linked to more hip rotation but if you are a tall and lanky guy like Jimenez this may not be necessary. Here are the reason 3X Pitching has the advantage over this kind of an approach:

  1. 3X Pitching generates a longer stride which improves perceived pitching velocity.
  2. 3X Pitching has a more linear move which supports more forward trunk tilt and front leg extension, both critical high velocity components.
  3. More forward trunk tilt also support earlier external rotation which activates more of the lats when accelerating the arm and less of the rotator cuff. This promotes increased velocity and arm health.

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Here is another guy who throws really hard and I don’t understand how:

I see him stacking his drive leg, but I don’t see a lot of separation or external rotation, and he doesn’t stabilize well. And throws 96. I am perplexed!

I tried stacking the drive leg thing this fall and it worked well and enhanced my separation a bit…until my quadricep tendon became inflamed because of this!

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Brian does get more hip to shoulder separation than what he is showing in the video you posted. Sometimes you need to see more pitches because that pitch above could have been at 86 or below. Who knows!

In this video here he is more than likely in the low range of Major League hip to shoulder separation at or around 40 degrees.

I have watched Brian Wilson sense he played down here at LSU. He has always had horrible mechanics. When I was putting together 3X Pitching I studied Brian Wilson because he was so different than what the studies were stating was high velocity mechanics. What I learned was that he takes this similar approach as Jimenez above but he is not long and lanky, so how does this work for him?

It works for him because he is a beast. He generates high angular velocities with small ranges of motion. He is proof that pure brute strength and a no fear attitude can generate high velocities. The problem is it is amazing he made it this far. He tore his UCL in college at LSU and he just tore it again. That is the price you pay when you take a pure strength approach to pitching velocity.

Pitching Velocity is more the product of speed than mechanics which is heavily influenced by the athletes ability to generate forces. Good pitching mechanics support this by helping your body to get more speed out of its movements but the force production of the athlete is really the key factor. Where pitching mechanics have the last word is when you have a ton of great athletes competing at a high level. Good pitching mechanics then give them an edge to get more speed out of their bodies and also it keeps them healthy. Brian Wilson obviously has ignore this and he is paying the price now because the success rate for those who have two Tommy John surgeries on the same arm is low.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..e=youtu.be

this is my friend vs ubaldo jimenez i was really surprised at how similar they look. It seems the only difference is ubaldo drives his knee down more to get more separation. I’ve been lifting with him for about 10 weeks with the fusion system and working with his 3x mechanics for about 3 weeks but he is having a really tough time with them. Im sure he could overcome his mechanical struggles but could this be a better solution by driving his knee down for more separation. I know you probably advise against it but there are plenty of high velocity pitchers who use this technique. Even a lot of the guys from the golden age. What do you think?

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I do not support driving the knee down without 3X as opposed to 3X before front foot strike because it shortens the stride and doesn’t support much forward trunk tilt. The reason it will not support forward trunk tilt is because 3X generates more linear momentum which has more potential to launch the trunk forward into pitch release.

3X takes time and is the product of optimal leg power and timing. The pitcher will not experience explosive trunk rotation at front foot strike until they break their 3X Threshold. This is the level of intensity their body requires for them to generate enough force production through the drive leg to drive their hips open at front foot strike.

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