What’s The Right Way To Lead With Your Hips? | Talk Pitching | TopVelocity Baseball Forum
June 4, 2011
Hey, I was just wondering if their was a correct way to lead with your hips. If you look at Randy Johnson at his balance point his body is just sort of leaning towards home plate and his front knee-cap is just pointing towards the first base dugout. If you were to look at Aroldlis Chapman at the same point in his delivery, you would see that he is leading with his but and his front knee-cap is inverted to his belt buckle. My son prefers the Randy Johnson lean but, I was just wondering if their is a legitimate difference between the to because they do the same thing except with different styles.
April 27, 2008
The key is the force vector. You can learn more about this in the 3X Pitching Book which is included in the 3X Velocity Program. The force vector is the angle of the drive leg ankle to knee. The key is to lead with the hip while driving your shin into the ground to aline your force vector with your front hip. You can not triple extend and build power in your stride until this occurs.
November 7, 2010
Can you explain further your statement on force vector?
“The force vector is the angle of the drive leg ankle to knee. The key is to lead with the hip while driving your shin into the ground to aline your force vector with your front hip.”
When you say “drive your shin to the ground”, does that mean you are rotating on your pads and lifting your heel up so that the front side of the shin is being driven to the ground, almost like a sprinter at his start? And how do you “drive you shin into the ground”?
Thanks for the help,
April 27, 2008
No, internal rotation of the drive leg occurs mainly because of the front foot and hip opening at front foot strike. If the drive leg achieves triple extension before or just at front foot strike then the drive leg will internally rotate with the opening of the front hip. If the front foot and hip open early then triple extension will not occur because of the twisting of the drive leg knee and ankle. The body will not let you extend the drive leg when the hinge joints of the knee and ankle or under stress due to the rotational forces. This is why I say once your front hip and foot open then force production ends.
Hey, I was just wondering if their was a correct way to lead with your hips. If you look at Randy Johnson at his balance point his body is just sort of leaning towards home plate and his front knee-cap is just pointing towards the first base dugout. If you were to look at Aroldis Chapman at the same point in his delivery, you would see that he is leading with his but and his front knee-cap is inverted to his belt buckle. My son prefers the Randy Johnson lean but, I was just wondering if their is a legitimate difference between the two because they do the same thing except with different styles.
Every one in their initial approach is a little different, but if you will notice as in the approach to hitting the baseball is a little different with each batter but when they enter the hitting zone their final movements through the zone are almost identical as is what you see with Chapman and Johnson, Most everyone executes some what differently to get to the same finish. I would like to see what each one's timing is from first move/engagement of the hips to front foot touch down which should be 1 sec. to 1.5 sec.
I would be willing to bet that Chapman's time is faster because i believe that Chapman initiates his hip movement and speed to weight shift a little sooner than Johnson's, I could be mistaken, although, if so, it is also possible that Johnson could pick up his momentum and get to touch down as quick or quicker than Chapman, Actually I would really like to view an analysis from start to finish of them together, side by side at the same time, that would be very,very interesting and in my opinion an excellent pitching movement visual aid, I am a firm believer in visual aids, moving and still, I am a very detailed person and I like to see the knee tucked in a little so as to expose that hip jutting right out there and then I like to see that definite first linear hip movement on it's way to weight shift juuust a split second prior to the knee peak, I also like to see that drive foot and knee action drive behind the hips assisting the hip movement. Remember it is not a body lean first, it is hip movement first, As Mr. Ted Williams taught the whole baseball world many moons ago, “THE HIPS LEAD THE WAY,” whether it be in “HITTING OR PITCHING”etc.Very few people are aware that the pitching movements are closely correlated to the hitting approach movements, try hip to shoulder separation for one. the one pitching movement that is executed totally backwards in relation to the sequenced chained reactive movements in pitching is the place in the movements where it is executed, that is the stride foot leading the stride leg before/prior to hip movement,” THE HIPS LEAD THE WAY,” absolutely “NOT” the stride foot and leg, I have heard some people make the comment, well one can catch it up some where in the movement, “NOT, SO,” that comment comes from those who are inexperienced and uneducated baseball people, when the stride foot leads the stride foot leg and the hips there is “NO” catching up of the hips, period.
Well as usual I start out to only speak a few sentences and end up writing a book, those words just keep -a- comin.
What I would like to have come up in our discussions is comments on the “torque and the three pivots”, most important in pitching. also some comments, discussion and thoughts on the shoulder pivot which I term as the “MOUSE TRAP'movement,
August 28, 2011
Read Brent’s article on increasing velocity with a better first move. It explains what way you should lead with your hips. Johnson may just not be closing as early as chapman. But they always get to the same position at the end. That’s the thing with copying someone’s mechanics. They tend to take out things that don’t really matter to the delivery. So look at what all hard throwers are doing (like what Brent does) instead of one pitcher.
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Here is a good drill to work on proper initial hip movement .
Stand sideways, glove side to a padded wall app. 12 inches away, mark line, “work very diligently” on correct pitching position,” place throwing hand side foot on the 12 inch line bring lift leg up, tuck it into position where your hip is jutting out there then move hip only, stick it out there into the wall, Tom House shows a video clip of this drill but the demo. detail is terrible. remember “the beginning/start is the means of the end/Finish. “A great beginning creates a great ending.“
Work on it
“LEAD WITH THE HIP”
This verbal instruction phrase seems to qualify coaches as a “pitching coach”. I've seen many players throw their hip out first by leaning their torso back over the rubber and this qualifies as “leading with the hips” for the mis-informed.
Is there a better way to explain to pitchers how to “lead with the hip” ? Also, How far can one really lead with the hip? The legs are connected to the hip, isn't it only possible to lead with the hip as far as the leg is long? Chapman and Bower have very long legs and therefore give a false sense of how far a pitcher should lead with the hip. Would it be correct to tell a pitcher to keep his front foot from catching up to the hip so that his hips get as far out as possible? Would it be correct to tell a pitcher that the line from the middle of the rubber to home plate is “the line that the hip follows” and that there is a parallel line that the foot follows until the hips reach maximum distance, then the foot continues past the hip and lands in the direction of home plate?
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