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Weight Training Pitchers – Agreeing to disagree
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Brent Pourciau USAW Certified
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March 15, 2012 – 7:18 pm
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I just don't get the logic behind these conventional approaches to pitching.

I doubt the other coach will respond after all of this. Great letter though Coach!

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Wow!  What a wild ride!  As a PGA Professional and an instructor of one of the hardest games around, I thank everyone for their input on this topic.  Golf has just as many “old wives remedies” and philosophies and methodologies as the game of baseball.  It is crucial as an instructor to continue to be a student of the game and to continue to learn.  Video has made great strides in the last 25 years, and it is amazing to me that the use of it is not more widespread.  It does not require thousands of dollars anymore to acquire respectable video suitable for analysis.  The newest I-phone with the Coach's Eye app is very handy.  Coach Robo, I have to say that your letter was complete; couldn't have said it any better.  I appreciate someone who has a solid methodology built on the effort to become more knowledgable every day. We have all had the “star” athletes come through our doors who perform from the very first lesson, but that is not the norm.  Golf, baseball and, for that matter, all sports are made up of very few #1 draft picks.  Most of the players that “make it” are the guys that have to work at it , their passion combined with their sweat equity gets them to the top.  The bottom line is Connor is a very good athlete with above average skills but he is not generating enough torque in his pitching delivery to eclipse the 80 MPH mark.  Testing on him has proven a lack of lower body strength.  I have not yet seen a high velocity pitcher that did not use his lower body efficiently, creating torque form the ground up.  Not every athlete can or will ever throw 98…that is not the point.  The point is to get the most out of each and every person that has a desire  to play.  Instead of hearing bullshit statements that 3x is flawed,  give us your philosophies, share with us your methods of improving a students velocity.  We want to learn from the best, but be ready to prove it!  Thanks, Shaun

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I didnt bring a dull knife..lol i gave one report but i guess you guys are pickers and choosers . PIck what you want, disregard what you dont..Dick mills has tons of information on this issue and matter of fact has more pros and players in the 90mph range. 140lb pitcher throwing 100mph proves my point. Oh and to be honest with you i have had a lot of guys from your program change it up

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March 16, 2012 – 2:54 pm
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A little full of yourself arent you??? AS a PGA professional and blah blah

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March 16, 2012 – 3:11 pm
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Honestly, you are making Dick Mills look bad. If you are not going to post constructive criticism with actual links to legitimate sources to support your claims then please stop posting here.

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After 30+ years of teaching, very confident!  Ready to learn more!  Share with us your expertise!  SCM

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bezball25,

what is the point of getting onto a public forum (that teaches a philosophy don’t agree with) and trying to make everyone think you are correct but only providing minimal support of your claims? Someone needs a hobby (“someone” meaning YOU). I mean, it’s not like any one is going to listen to your claims with virtually no support, especially on this site. 

I’m sorry, I’m not trying to start any fights on here, I just find people with nothing to do but try and make others look wrong to be incredibly irritating. Especially when it’s not even done well. 

The 140 pound pitcher in the Royals organization that you say throws 100 mph is Tim Collins. He is 5’7′ 170 lb (pure muscle) and throws low to mid 90s, he has done extensive heavy load training, and he is a perfect example of 3X mechanics. 

http://www.menshealth.com/fitn…..im-collins

Took one google search to refute your claims. On menshealth.com. Wow. 

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March 17, 2012 – 7:55 pm
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Wow. Just wow. That guy is the definition of hard headed. I feel sorry for Connor. I would hate to be in his position.
The coach gives one example of a guy who can throw gas without weights and thinks he found the cure to cancer. If he spent five minutes on this site he’d find many, many examples of 3X but I guess that’d hurt his pride too much.

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