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April 27, 2008
If you are correct and he is talking about Tim Collins then WOW, I don’t know what to say! I will give him the benefit of the doubt but it is going to be hard for him to find an example of a high velocity pitcher who has done no strength training in his career.
March 12, 2012
March 12, 2012
October 24, 2011
You, again, are making claims with no evidence. If you back up your claims and show me proof of this guy, then I offer my apologies and I will admit that you are indeed correct on this one.
However, I still don't see why you are so compelled to waste your time on this forum. I don't agree with many pitching websites but I don't feel like taking the time to sign up for their forums, make lazy half-assed arguments and bash their instructors and theories. It’s not like you alone are going to change any one’s mind on here, especially with the way you’ve been arguing.
I don’t think anyone thinks I look stupid but yourself. I mean you type and argue like an 8th grader, so I’m not taking your bold-lettered insult too seriously. I am however, going to leave it here because I am mature and realize that I need to contribute positively to this site, and not to pointless arguments with sophomoric people like you.
June 20, 2011
Ok. I found the guy for you. http://www.pinetarpress.com/mi…..o-ventura/. His name is yordano Ventura. Now YOU prove to us that he’s still 140 pounds and that he doesn’t lift. Just because he didnt weigh much when he entered professional ball does not mean that he never lifted weights or did some type of strength training
July 14, 2011
One of my favorite things about this site is the many young pitchers who come on here with a sincere desire to learn, and in most cases their ability to express themselves so well. You guys are great.
Mr. Bezball, based on your spelling, puntuation, grammar, and syntax, as well as your complete inability to use logic, reason, or evidence to make a coherent point – I don't think you'll ever understand this. But, I'll take one shot and then won't waste my time on you anymore.
The only reason to come onto a site like this is to learn. Nobody cares what I think – they care how what I think makes them think. I had been studying and learning about pitching for 30 years before I ever heard of Brent Porciau. I've learned as much from his program and the give and take on this site as from any other source I've encountered. I don't accept everything (or anything) he says blindly, and I haven't stopped learning from other sources just because I've found 3X. Brent will tell you that many of us have respectfully challenged him on many topics in our quest for learning. He always responds respectfully and always thoroughly researches his answers and backs them up with evidence. I've seen him evolve in his ability to articulate his program and his ideas. That comes from being challenged and making the effort to understand your own beliefs.
Brent has never said that he knows everything about pitching and that there is no other way to improve your performance than 3X. And just because you might find one or ten or a hundred pitchers who have succeeded some other way (not that you've told us about any) doesn't mean his ideas aren't valid or his program doesn't work. I believe he does an outstanding job of explaining how high performance pitchers throw and how to train to reach your maximum potential. And he backs everything he says up with evidence. But, he's still learning as we all are – and is always open to a respectful challenge to his ideas as long as you are.
I expect this to fall on deaf ears in your case – so, mostly I just wanted to thank all the respectful and grown-up participants (including 14 year-old Zedoryu, who is a wonderful resource on this site) for helping me learn so much from you. As I said, you guys are great.
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March 12, 2012
October 24, 2011
Ok, well, like I said, I'm only going to be positive and constructive now.
This pitcher isn't 5'6''. He's 5'11'' (or that's his listed height, but I doubt they gave him 5 extra inches). Big difference. I'm 5'10'' or 5'11'' and while I am not an especially tall guy, I'm not tiny either and I do have some leverage that I can use.
I guess it's possible that this pitcher doesn't weight train. There's a guy on my team who is expected to get drafted somewhere between rounds 5 and 15 and he is a ridiculous fast-twitch athlete. The amazing thing is, he never works out or lifts. He is the perfect example of a genetic FREAK, and thinking about what he will do when he starts developing what he has through heavy load training, well, he will be absolutely crazy. He hits the ball as hard as anyone I have ever seen at a JC (and a California JC) and he does not even touch weights. He regularly connects on 400+ ft shots and throws 83-85 mph down to second base from the catcher's position, and his pop time is like a 1.8. However, he is a FREAK who relies on genetics and I've never known anyone else to be like this. Probably the same with this pitcher that you speak of, even though there has been no proof yet that he doesn't lift. From what I expect of the “quote” that you will get, you will simply write some BS on here and expect us to take your word for it, but I'm not going to get started again.
I don't think genetic freaks are the best examples here.
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