July 14, 2011
One of my favorite things about this site is the many young pitchers who come on here with a sincere desire to learn, and in most cases their ability to express themselves so well. You guys are great.
Mr. Bezball, based on your spelling, puntuation, grammar, and syntax, as well as your complete inability to use logic, reason, or evidence to make a coherent point – I don't think you'll ever understand this. But, I'll take one shot and then won't waste my time on you anymore.
The only reason to come onto a site like this is to learn. Nobody cares what I think – they care how what I think makes them think. I had been studying and learning about pitching for 30 years before I ever heard of Brent Porciau. I've learned as much from his program and the give and take on this site as from any other source I've encountered. I don't accept everything (or anything) he says blindly, and I haven't stopped learning from other sources just because I've found 3X. Brent will tell you that many of us have respectfully challenged him on many topics in our quest for learning. He always responds respectfully and always thoroughly researches his answers and backs them up with evidence. I've seen him evolve in his ability to articulate his program and his ideas. That comes from being challenged and making the effort to understand your own beliefs.
Brent has never said that he knows everything about pitching and that there is no other way to improve your performance than 3X. And just because you might find one or ten or a hundred pitchers who have succeeded some other way (not that you've told us about any) doesn't mean his ideas aren't valid or his program doesn't work. I believe he does an outstanding job of explaining how high performance pitchers throw and how to train to reach your maximum potential. And he backs everything he says up with evidence. But, he's still learning as we all are – and is always open to a respectful challenge to his ideas as long as you are.
I expect this to fall on deaf ears in your case – so, mostly I just wanted to thank all the respectful and grown-up participants (including 14 year-old Zedoryu, who is a wonderful resource on this site) for helping me learn so much from you. As I said, you guys are great.
Proud father of a U.S. Marine (HOME from Afghanistan)
March 12, 2012
October 24, 2011
Ok, well, like I said, I'm only going to be positive and constructive now.
This pitcher isn't 5'6''. He's 5'11'' (or that's his listed height, but I doubt they gave him 5 extra inches). Big difference. I'm 5'10'' or 5'11'' and while I am not an especially tall guy, I'm not tiny either and I do have some leverage that I can use.
I guess it's possible that this pitcher doesn't weight train. There's a guy on my team who is expected to get drafted somewhere between rounds 5 and 15 and he is a ridiculous fast-twitch athlete. The amazing thing is, he never works out or lifts. He is the perfect example of a genetic FREAK, and thinking about what he will do when he starts developing what he has through heavy load training, well, he will be absolutely crazy. He hits the ball as hard as anyone I have ever seen at a JC (and a California JC) and he does not even touch weights. He regularly connects on 400+ ft shots and throws 83-85 mph down to second base from the catcher's position, and his pop time is like a 1.8. However, he is a FREAK who relies on genetics and I've never known anyone else to be like this. Probably the same with this pitcher that you speak of, even though there has been no proof yet that he doesn't lift. From what I expect of the “quote” that you will get, you will simply write some BS on here and expect us to take your word for it, but I'm not going to get started again.
I don't think genetic freaks are the best examples here.
March 12, 2012
April 27, 2008
Finally, you have decided to provide some substance to your banter. You believe genetics and strength training having nothing to do with pitching velocity. Is this correct? You are saying that physics has the answers. I would love to discuss the physics of pitching with you bezball25. Can you explain to me your belief of the physics behind pitching velocity?
June 20, 2011
Wow, chill out. This site is completely dedicated to physics driven velocity. Read five articles on this site and you can see that science (physics to be exact) is the back bone of the program. They may give him one inch, I'll let you have that. But for him to be 140 pounds? Thats a stretch. I would bet a lot of money that he is not that small. He would have to make an effort to weigh that little. Sure, genetics aren't everything, but they give you a huge head start. He has probably put in a ton of work in addition to his natural ability.
You need to open your eyes and quit being so ignorant and big headed. And please stop telling people to shut up, no one has told you to shut up even though we definitely have more of a reason to.
August 28, 2011
Look. I believe the way here is not just to insult other people's belief. It's good that we're trying to correct his philosophy, but if he doesn't want to believe it, then he won't be the one experiencing the “thing”. It's like me, as a christian, I want to be able to spread the gospel to everyone out there so that they may go to heaven. But on the other hand, those that don't believe it will be the ones that will be cut off. It's up to him what he wants to believe, which is why I like Brent's approach when he says that he wants to discuss it rather than trying to force him to believe that our way is right. But here, I am just trying to state my opinion so that he can evaluate on what he may have been teaching wrong. So let's get back onto the topic XD. I want to just answer a question posed from the first few comments. I KNOW TONS OF PLAYERS WHO HAVE WENT TO OTHER PROGRAMS BECAUSE TRIPLE EXTENSION IS NOT THE WAY TO VELOCITY. NOT ONLY THAT BUT HEAVY WEIGHT TRAINING WAS PROVEN TO WORK THE OPPOSITE. I believe the reason why players went to other programs is not because 3X is not the way to velocity, but because it's not giving them success instantly. Some people will think when they buy the program, it will do the work for you, and you can gain success overnight. Also, most successful pitchers in the MLB are successful because they can command the ball to move however they want. 3X is not an accuracy based program. Just stick that into your heads. I believe people are lacking in their success just because they lack control, and when they go to a “velocity” program, they don't gain anything much from it. Or rather, they still aren't getting success. Because 3X is a developmental program it takes time to gain success. Same with any other program out there. You say that a player never weight trains, well fast twitch training is generally similar to any kind of strength training, so even if a player is not strength training, he could be doing like plyos everyday. Simply the result is the same, but the time taken is different. It's the saying where, you have a friend who wants to go the city, you both take two very different routes, but where do you end up? in the same destination. The time taken could vary, but they're wanting to reach the same spot. It's the same with strength training, or just regular fast twitch training. They lead to the very same place, but they're two different routes. Now to the next part. There are some common myths out there that young developing athletes shouldn’t resistance train because it could stunt their growth, damage their growth plates or injure them so that they aren't able to compete in their sport. This is completely false if the training is progressive, monitored and done in a safe fashion. A study by Hamill, found that weight training’s injury rate of .0012 injuries per 100 participant hours pales to the 6.2 injuries per 100 participant hours in youth soccer and 1.02 participant hours in actually playing basketball. That's right, playing baseball is at least 100X MORE likely to cause an injury than strength training (and that doesn’t even begin to take in the injury-prevention benefits of following a good strength training program). I'd rather not bother to interfere with people who will never change their mindset simply because they won't give in to any kind of information, even if it's good.
April 2, 2012
make it pretty simple i think is the important part, and mr brent does that to a T
watch eric cressey on the chart for people who are either strength focused or speed focus or the ideal inbetween position.. i know if i didnt get my lifts into a 1.5x++ bodyweight in the big lifts i wouldnt be able to do 3x/2x because i lack the power to be able to do so.. i practice extreme long toss till i hurt myself because of my own doing, i believe long tossing 300+ ft taught me the feeling of intent with results.. i also believe practicing the 3x drills is better because its more transferable and makes me feel athletic throwing the whole body in instead of traditional tossing the ball method.. you can even radar the drills and see if the gun goes up then obviously the technique or power is getting better
weight conditioning is very important, as is technique with all things, and lastly having a killer instinct mindset is critical for consistent progression which leads to results. the concept of productivity is a hard thing to grasp and often takes a bad exerience to really learn.
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