May 29, 2011
It is unfortunate I had to learn about that the hard way. At the time I saw long toss as something that was giving me that litle extra boost. I had to go to our team doctor to get my surgery, and from there I went to our trainers for rehab and a regular outpatient physical therapist. I know that is their primary concern is to get you back to be able to do daily activites pain free. But as someone who loves to pitch, that’s just not good enough. So even though I am on my own, I will never be one of those pitchers that just quits!
April 27, 2008
April 12, 2012
Looks like some good stuff. I would have to say, and I say this with all due respect, the HBO clip you posted does not tell the whole story in regards to VT. The guy that developed the program has been a pitching coach for years in the bigs as well as a player and he discovered this by accident. They found out that tennis players never blew up their shoulders because the serving action in tennis requires you to maintain your grip on the racket. In pitching, you let go of the ball so the shoulder muscles are unbalanced in the development. Once you start training the anterior and posterior deltoid equally you have a different dynamic.
You guys are MUCH smarter than I am, but I believe there is something to this, and obviously they are getting results. Delabar’s stroy is quite compelling.
Also, are you familiar with a guy at LSU named Tommy Moffitt. He’s got a 16 year old son that is a pretty promising pitcher at BR Catholic.
Thanks and keep up the good work!
PGA Teaching/Coaching Professional
April 27, 2008
Thanks for the post. I wish there was a better clip online about this story but this is all I could find. If someone can find a better clip please post it here. I would definitely like to learn more but I have heard about this research before. The pitching device sold online called the Fast Arm also uses this research to “Strengthen the Arm.” If you have followed this site much you know that I am very skeptical about any approach to pitching velocity that talks about “Strengthening the Arm.” Science has taught us that high velocity pitchers have more than just strong arms.
I am so glad you mentioned Tommy Moffitt. He comes from Coach Gayle Hatch who is a mentor of mine as well. I have spoken with Tommy a few times when I was around Coach Hatch. Tommy comes from the same school of thought as I and his son is definitely a big believer in Olympic lifting to build power and velocity. I have not met his son but glad to hear about his success.
The only issue I have with the tennis approach to pitching velocity is that you can strengthen the arm and grip without using a tennis racket approach. I am not saying I would not use this new style of training because I definitely would. I believe in using a little bit of everything on too of a strong foundation. The foundation is Olympic lifting and power pitching mechanics like the 3X mechanics.
In the case of Steve Delabar his newly restructured elbow joint with a good rehab program has a lot to do with his velocity increase. All you have to do is look at the average velocity increase in the MLB of those pitchers who have had UCL surgery.
Thanks for joining the site. Glad to have your expertise. It brings a lot of value to the community.
April 12, 2012
Tom and I grew up together. We played sr pro, jr. high, high school, and college football together. He’s the oldest friend I have. I remember he used to have tons of Muscle and Fitness mags. His dad built a gym in the garage and Tom used to train all the neighborhood kids. Guess what, his son Clay is doing the same thing! You’ll never find a more loyal and dedicated guy than TM. He was offered the Tennessee job last year for big $$$ I’m sure, and turned it down. He is just too loyal to LSU, to my chagrin. We really need him back home. But what are ya’ going to do?
If you get a chance to see the Real Sports episode, check it out. It’s very interesting.
April 27, 2008
I was playing football and baseball in high school for St. Paul’s here is Covington, LA and we played John Curtis every year in both sports. I remember hearing about him a lot because John Curtis was always the biggest and fastest team on the field. He did a great job at John Curtis. These where the years he was working with Coach Hatch and also Kurt Hester was working with Coach Hatch while he was the assistant Strength Coach at LSU who mainly trained the Baseball team through the 90’s. I then trained with Kurt for about 12 years of my career. These are my kind of coaches and trainers. I take their approaches to pitching which is the foundation of 3X Pitching.
I need to see the entire HBO episode. I wish I had HBO!
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