Actually a three-parter... | Youth Pitching | TopVelocity Baseball Forum
March 1, 2012
I'm new here, but have been around baseball for over thirty years. I have two boys following Brent's program with excellent success. And have three questions I hope someone could help with…
1) Is there a barometer of what is a good pitching speed at different age levels? For example…my son is 11 and he has been clocked at 53. All things being equal, and he works hard at training and etc., is there any way to translate what that can project at during high school or college? May be an impossible thing to ask, but thought I'd try.
2) Same son above has been taught the ankle snap, leg drive, whole body motion a la Lincecum. Now, Lincecum has a modified leg sweep that goes out towards third before he drives it to home. My son has the same thing, but a local college coach has stated to us he is not crazy about that, preferring the glove side leg to go straight back and drive directly to home plate. Any thoughts?
3) My other son, 13, is trying out for modified baseball. Now, I am not tooting his horn, but he is extremely talented. But also extremely unsure and lacking confidence. If he put an ounce of self-confidence into his tryout and demeanor and manners, he would be just fine. But his body language shows self-defeatism, and I want to break him of this habit. Any recommendations on how to handle this?
Thanks for reading,
August 28, 2011
1) I can post the velocity scales up, but that’s if Coach Robo allows me to..
2) focus more on the drive leg rather than the front leg. Also Lincecum’s mechanics has been a little on the downhill side, so I recommend copying Chapman’s or Chapman’s delivery. They both have leg sweeps (maybe not as fast as Lincecum) and they both keep their feet closed which is what should be focused on in the front leg.
3) there are many motivational things you can find here at topvelocity, but focus on keeping positive, and one thing that probably hasn’t been mentioned here is breathing. So anyway, look those up and I’m sure they’ll help your son. ;D
April 27, 2008
!) No because you can't predict how his body is going to change after his adolescent years.
2) If I am going to learn from Lincecum today I am going to uses his mechanics from college and when he first came up into the league. This is when he was upper 90's. He is now low 90's with his different mechanics.
3) Watch tons of motivational movies with him like Rudy, the Natural, The Rookie!
October 24, 2011
I've noticed that most pitchers (who develop at a normal rate), if at age 12 they throw 70 mph, they end up throwing around 90 when they are in their late teens. There are no rules obviously, and there are other factors that go into adult velocity, but that's just what I noticed. When I was 11 I was topping out around 58 mph, when I was 12 I hit a growth spurt was around 67-68.
July 14, 2011
March 1, 2012
Much thanks to your helpful posts. Took the advice seriously and to heart…
Follow up…to Brent in re: Lincecum's mechanics. I did some You-Tubing and tried to ascertain the difference in his mechanics from college to the pros. Possibly because he's getting older and less flexible, he's starting to break down a bit? Also, scuttlebutt has it he doesn't really take care of himself and it's been lately that he's been more serious about it.
So what difference are you noticing in Tim's more recent mechanics? I am steering my son towards the “whole body / Koufax / early Lincecum / Chapman” style, incorporating 3X mechanics within that.
Thanks for everybody's input.
March 1, 2012
April 27, 2008
The difference between Lincecum today and when he came up is that he is more rotation from leg lift to front foot strike. Felix Hernandez has done the same thing late into his career. They both had a lot more linear movement when they first came up along with more pitching velocity.
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